The 2020 thread....

rogue wrote:

rogue wrote:

hutch wrote:
So who do you guys think is the whistleblower?

Dan Coats?

Bolton has an axe to grind and apparently was furious over this withholding of funding

not thinking Coats with this comment he just made
"Nothing came to me. I left on Aug. 15…. The very next day that was presented to Joe. I feel so bad for Joe. He is caught in a squeeze here …."

Whistle-Blower Is a C.I.A. Officer Who Was Detailed to the White House
His complaint suggested he was an analyst by training with an understanding of Ukrainian politics. Little else is known about him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/us/politics/who-is-whistleblower.html

Nice, don't think I'd live to see a presidential candidate wearing a DK shirt!


(although it was a yang Halloween costume ;( )

Beto is probably so pissed! His culture isn't a costume!!!

nkotb wrote:
Beto is probably so pissed! His culture isn't a costume!!!

someone beat you to it
https://thehardtimes.net/culture/beto-frantically-scouring-old-punk-lyrics-that-support-his-position-on-private-insurance/

I was hoping maybe I could come out with some, like, ‘Dead Kennedys Health Care’ or something like that to really make myself stand out,

was not aware of this:

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In other words, Maguire's feeling that this was not urgent (which does not pass the smell test) and that he needed to make sure it was not protected by executive privilege (which would be a convenient excuse to let Trump conceal this from the public) is what prevented him from giving it to Congress within seven days. But once that transcript Trump released yesterday was out, the transcript that he thought was going to exonerate him of any wrongdoing—"It was a perfect call," he kept saying—executive privilege no longer applied to the substance of the whistle-blower complaint. Which is the reason we can now read the whistle-blower complaint.

The release of that transcript immediately put a stop to the White House being able to dither about whether they were going to be able to prevent the release of the complaint based on the assertion of executive privilege. Amazing.

It's like when a serial killer who's gotten away with crime after crime makes one wrong step and everything comes crashing down. Trump&#039;s impulsive move to try to get ahead of the news cycle yesterday—to try to retake control of the story by releasing a transcript he thought made him look good—is the very reason this just blew up in his face. Once he did that, the DNI could release the whistle-blower complaint without worrying about executive privilege, and once members of Congress started reading the whistle-blower complaint, the number of House members willing to impeach him crossed the 218-vote threshold for impeachment.
</QUOTE>

in other words, Trump leaked on himself?!? (i thought he paid others for that…)

source: https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2019/09/26/41506767/white-house-essentially-tried-to-cover-up-their-cover-up-by-stalling-release-of-the-whistle-blower-complaint
(emphasis mine)

sweetcell wrote:
Whistle-Blower Is a C.I.A. Officer Who Was Detailed to the White House
His complaint suggested he was an analyst by training with an understanding of Ukrainian politics. Little else is known about him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/us/politics/who-is-whistleblower.html

No comment other than to say…..who's going to be Trump's Scooter Libby?

Also, this:

https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1177383602792927232

vansmack wrote:
Also, this:

https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1177383602792927232

so this made me smile for a moment.  isn't going to change my life but it provided 2 minutes of levity.

but gawddam, have you seen the vitriolic comments that ensued?!?  you'd swear the NYT just gave cancer to every child in the nation.  NY needs to legalize recreational weed STAT, apparently…

I thought it was pretty dumb, but at least it wasn't a Harry Potter or Game of Thrones reference, so I'll call it a draw.

sweetcell wrote:

but gawddam, have you seen the vitriolic comments that ensued?!?&nbsp; you&#039;d swear the NYT just gave cancer to every child in the nation.&nbsp; NY needs to legalize recreational weed STAT, apparently…

First rule of the internet.  Never read the comments.

It was also shared to me through someone else's reshare, and those comments were much more palatable.  But I always try to share from the source….

can someone explain this to me: some folks, majority of which are on the right, are claiming that this whole trump/zelensky fiasco will end biden's nomination bid (along with damaging and/or impeaching trump).

why?  how?  are they thinking that as part of the investigation into trump, biden's alleged dirty dealings in ukraine will also be discovered?  that just being the subject of trump's request for a favor will sink him?  other?

I don’t think we can predict how any of it plays out but yeah the idea is Biden is involved in dirty biz that will come out


Giuliani seemed giddy about how much info he has…then again he also claimed he will be the hero

It has the potential to undercut his man of the people narrative when his son is being paid $50k a month to sit on a foreign business board when he potentially may lack the credentials.

vansmack wrote:
It has the potential to undercut his man of the people narrative when his son is being paid $50k a month to sit on a foreign business board when he potentially may lack the credentials.

this sounds mostly like conservative wishful thinking to me.

forget sins of the father… sins of the son?!?  somehow joe is responsible for hunter's decisions?

sweetcell wrote:

vansmack wrote:
It has the potential to undercut his man of the people narrative when his son is being paid $50k a month to sit on a foreign business board when he potentially may lack the credentials.

this sounds mostly like conservative wishful thinking to me.

forget sins of the father… sins of the son?!?&nbsp; somehow joe is responsible for hunter&#039;s decisions?

LOL I'm not sure Hunter just "decided" to get a super high paying job he's not qualified for :)

sweetcell wrote:

vansmack wrote:
It has the potential to undercut his man of the people narrative when his son is being paid $50k a month to sit on a foreign business board when he potentially may lack the credentials.

this sounds mostly like conservative wishful thinking to me.

forget sins of the father… sins of the son?!?&nbsp; somehow joe is responsible for hunter&#039;s decisions?

The argument is Joe pressures a Ukrainian prosecutor not to investigate company who’s board Hunter sits on


I understand it’s debunked but that’s the argument

sweetcell wrote:
this sounds mostly like conservative wishful thinking to me.

nkotb wrote:
LOL I&#039;m not sure Hunter just &quot;decided&quot; to get a super high paying job he&#039;s not qualified for :)

There's never an egg timer around when you need one….

what strikes me as disingenuous from the GOP crew is this job description: being paid $50k a month to sit on a foreign business board
Is probably something that they, members of their own family and friends already have and would gladly continue getting

I think Giuliani is going to actually suffer the most damage in all of this
He'll probably get pardoned…or trump will put a hit on him and make it look like the clinton's did it

Yeah, 100%.  If there's any corruption here, its something literally everyone in Washington has or is doing!

^you forgot to add…but not bernie!

oh and Tulsi finally joins the dems on the peachy stuff


Lastly ….I like this line of reasoning

@JillFilipovic
Impeachment opponents are filtering this entirely through the lens of Clinton. But surely voters care about WHY a president is impeached. “He lied about a blowjob” is profoundly silly. “He tried to undermine free and fair elections and compromised our national security” is not.

This is good too…Godfather reading of the phone call

@LarryNoble_DC
For those who want a visual abridged summary, here's The Godfather All dialogue is from the memo.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1176980507667652608