Marianne out. I'll always love you, queen
The 2020 thread....
nkotb wrote:
Marianne out. I'll always love you, queen
nooooo…..
maybe she's gunning for Bloomberg's spiritual adviser cabinet position?
nkotb wrote:
Marianne out. I'll always love you, queen
If she is an anti-vaxxer, this is great:
https://twitter.com/TheDweck/status/1215696270053924864?s=20
If she is not, harsh.
I won't go as far as saying she's anti-vax, but to paraphrase that Andrew Gillum slam on DeSantis, I'm not calling Ms. Williamson an anti-vaxxer, I'm simply saying the anti-vaxxers believe she's an anti-vaxxer.
may be a good sign for bloomberg….trumps testing out insults
Mini Mike B
honestly, he's usually pretty good at this, but I give him a D on this one
Mini Mike B
honestly, he's usually pretty good at this, but I give him a D on this one
Really? I though Mini Mike B was good! Way better than Crazy Bernie or Sleepy Joe
Treated wrote:
may be a good sign for bloomberg….trumps testing out insults
Mini Mike B
honestly, he's usually pretty good at this, but I give him a D on this one
Also, Booker out
nkotb wrote:
Also, Booker out
Donny never misses an opportunity to kick someone on the way out
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
Really Big Breaking News (Kidding): Booker, who was in zero polling territory, just dropped out of the Democrat Presidential Primary Race. Now I can rest easy tonight. I was sooo concerned that I would someday have to go head to head with him!
Does anyone have any idea what was up with @thewhitehouse tweeting a picture of snow when it was almost 60 degrees in DC
Is it to show they can just say and do anything….even lie about the weather
this one has me confused
Treated wrote:
Does anyone have any idea what was up with @thewhitehouse tweeting a picture of snow when it was almost 60 degrees in DC
Is it to show they can just say and do anything….even lie about the weather
this one has me confused
https://mashable.com/article/white-house-snow-tweet/
sweetcell wrote:Treated wrote:
Does anyone have any idea what was up with @thewhitehouse tweeting a picture of snow when it was almost 60 degrees in DC
Is it to show they can just say and do anything….even lie about the weather
this one has me confused
https://mashable.com/article/white-house-snow-tweet/
ok…it was an old photo taken on 1/7/20 they posted on 1/12/20…still again really odd
The North Portico of the White House is seen during a snow flurry Tuesday afternoon, Jan. 7, 2020, (Official White House Photo by Tia Dufour)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-meeting/index.html
I happen to think that if Hillary couldn’t win it’s doubtful we will have a female US President for at least 16 more years
I happen to think that if Hillary couldn’t win it’s doubtful we will have a female US President for at least 16 more years
As much as I dislike the Clinton's, she did win the popular vote! She just ran a bad campaign.
I do think Warren could beat Trump…she's a good fighter when she wants to be, but seems to have bad political instincts (or a bad campaign) about when to tuck tail. Getting spooked by Mayor Pete doesn't really instill much confidence she could go toe to toe with him in the general.
Plus, everyone knows AOC will be the first female president :)
Still, an article with four anonymous sources, an on-the-record statement denying it from Bernie and a "no comment" from Warren's camp? That's beyond fishy…especially given this only seems to surface when Bernie's up in most early state polling!
I do think Warren could beat Trump…she's a good fighter when she wants to be, but seems to have bad political instincts (or a bad campaign) about when to tuck tail. Getting spooked by Mayor Pete doesn't really instill much confidence she could go toe to toe with him in the general.
Plus, everyone knows AOC will be the first female president :)
Still, an article with four anonymous sources, an on-the-record statement denying it from Bernie and a "no comment" from Warren's camp? That's beyond fishy…especially given this only seems to surface when Bernie's up in most early state polling!
Hillary ran a bad campaign? Please explain
Right now, no one is beating Trump. And that won't change until the candidates stop vying to woo the coastal voters and start appealing to the voters in the 6 states that are going to decide this election.
I want to preface this by saying that in no way am I minimizing misogyny as a reason she isn't president. That's a real and true thing, and obviously any kind of shitty bias of this kind plays a role. And I don't think that any existing bias like this (or racism or Islamophobia or homophobia or transphobia, etc. etc.) are reasons to not run a candidate…with the right messages and appeals those things are hurdles you can overcome. I mean, we elected a black guy with an African name as president because he had a good message and an appeal to voters that was strong enough to overcome enough of that bias to win by huge margins.
Enough ink has been spilled about it, but her campaigns goal of converting suburban Republicans that were turned off by Trump was a colossal failure. They may hold their nose as his tweets or his blatant racism, but they still agree with what he's about fundamentally, just not the way he says it. She did this at the expense of turning out disenfranchised and disillusioned voters, and it cost her big. Not to mention how her campaign ignored swing states…i think Trump out campaigned her in these states by like 50 percent or something outrageous. She didn't visit Wisconsin once during the last 100 days of the election!
Look, she had more than that against her as well. Our system is stupid and archaic and dumb as hell…but the rules are you get 270 electoral votes and you win. Seems like a bad campaign when you lose that focus…that or hubris (probably both here, TBH).
Enough ink has been spilled about it, but her campaigns goal of converting suburban Republicans that were turned off by Trump was a colossal failure. They may hold their nose as his tweets or his blatant racism, but they still agree with what he's about fundamentally, just not the way he says it. She did this at the expense of turning out disenfranchised and disillusioned voters, and it cost her big. Not to mention how her campaign ignored swing states…i think Trump out campaigned her in these states by like 50 percent or something outrageous. She didn't visit Wisconsin once during the last 100 days of the election!
Look, she had more than that against her as well. Our system is stupid and archaic and dumb as hell…but the rules are you get 270 electoral votes and you win. Seems like a bad campaign when you lose that focus…that or hubris (probably both here, TBH).
hutch wrote:
Hillary ran a bad campaign? Please explain
No mention of Comey and the FBI?
Not a serious response
I thought more highly of you
Not a serious response
I thought more highly of you
If anybody wants to seriously look at the campaign the thing you would have to recognize is that the candidate that ran a terrible campaign was Donald Trump. It was not disciplined, every day there was a new clusterfuck, and he got creamed in every debate.
hutch wrote:
No mention of Comey and the FBI?
Not a serious response
Well, you asked me about her running a bad campaign, and I answered. She couldn't help Comey's letter, which of course damaged here. It's why I threw in a quick "Look, she had more than that against her as well." Though one might say running a candidate that's under federal investigation was a poor choice to begin with. Still, with more of a focus in those key swing states, she could've overcome those thin margin.
hutch wrote:
I thought more highly of you
That's your first mistake, bud :)
But he won! I think it's hard to say someone ran a bad campaign when they won!
But circling back, I think it's a bullshit thought to think a woman couldn't win. That's lazy at best and extremely sexist at worst. You just need the right message and the right messenger.
But circling back, I think it's a bullshit thought to think a woman couldn't win. That's lazy at best and extremely sexist at worst. You just need the right message and the right messenger.
hutch wrote:
If anybody wants to seriously look at the campaign the thing you would have to recognize is that the candidate that ran a terrible campaign was Donald Trump. It was not disciplined, every day there was a new clusterfuck, and he got creamed in every debate.
nkotb wrote:I think this really needs to get defined in the discussion of this (nearly continual) board argument. Can someone run a good campaign and lose? Can someone run a bad campaign and still win? If so, for either, give real-life examples [and show your work].
But he won! I think it's hard to say someone ran a bad campaign when they won!
I think if you and Hutch answer those two questions (and follow one instructive statement), it will quickly be revealed you are debating different topics at heart.