The Republican Party is so solidly brainwashed and behind Trump I am not sure anyone can bleed much support from him…not even - I stand corrected- an 89 year old Perot
The 2020 thread....
hutch wrote:
The Republican Party is so solidly brainwashed and behind Trump I am not sure anyone can bleed much support from him…not even - I stand corrected- an 89 year old Perot
eh, i'm not sure of that. there is a solid segement of the voting population - around a third of the electorate - that will indeed support trump no matter what he does (including shooting someone on 5th ave). but between that third and the 50'ish% that he needs to get elected again - that's the segment that is vulnerable. (reminder: trump won 2016 with 46.1%, so if 1/3 is correct then he needs to muster another ~13%).
one scenario i can foresee is trump easily winning the nom again because his base is fervent - they'll come out to the primary polls. highly unlikely any challenger could muster that much enthusiasm from their supporters. do you see throngs of voters showing up on polling day for, say, larry hogan?!? after the nomination is secured he'll need to convince that 13% to vote for him, and that's where things (hopefully) fall apart - that 13% of folks "willing to give him a chance" are unlikely to be as generous in 2020. they gave him a chance, and currently trump is polling below 40%… so he's coming up short.
this assumes the dems can come up with a halfway decent candidate. still plenty of time for the donkeys to f*ck things up.
i was reading about a disheartening debate among some dems that the country isn't ready for a female president and that's why they lost in 2016, so despite the optics maybe they should focus on a male candidate because it's too risky to test the waters with another woman… i don't support this opinion, but it's out there. ugh.
sweetcell wrote:i don't support this opinion, but it's out there. ugh.
wise man once said "opinions are like assholes…everyone's got one"
I don’t really care if it can’t happen as the battle must continue to be fought but if Hillary could not do it…..
People are lying to themselves if they believe her being a woman was not an important factor in her ”loss”…. people can’t face the uncomfortable truth so they blame her for being “unlikable”
People are lying to themselves if they believe her being a woman was not an important factor in her ”loss”…. people can’t face the uncomfortable truth so they blame her for being “unlikable”
Currently I have Kamala Harris as the favorite
it's all about timing, say Hil went up against Mitt or McCain…I think she would have won
trump's campaign did such a good job a threading that needle
and the fact that his only 'history' was reality tv and tabloids was perfect for the uneducated voter
but they have things to judge him a little more critically on
Sadly all these presidential elections are decided by people who can't really make a decision and flip flop to what ever candidate has the shiniest pin on their lapel
Hil got 65,845,063 votes…..Obama got 65,915,795 in 2008
Trump strategists were very freaking smart and they successfully took the electoral college with 3 mill less votes
Getting back to the Shultz statement….I'm not saying that he shouldn't run
but he should run in the dem primary, he's got to know if he is a credible candidate that running as an independent would greatly increase trumps re-election chances
Maybe we should turn the tables and go all reality TV with the Dems
They all live in the same house for a few months and every week registered democratic voters would be able to kick someone off the island
This is our election to lose (heard that before)
it's all a bout messaging and the Dems seem to suck (well its more to do with Dems know the world is complex and can't come up with a policy that's 140 characters)
take the news ….U.S. Treasury Set to Borrow $1 Trillion for a Second Year to Finance the Trump Tax Cut
seriously how can someone who calls them self a conservative be like "we need to lower spending and stop increasing the deficit"
but "it's ok to go in debt so big corps and the 1% get an awesome tax cut…hmm also as an avg American, didn't really more than $100 difference in my taxes" "Oh no big deal we don't have money for roads or teachers either, pile on the debt, that's how we solve this problem"
trump's campaign did such a good job a threading that needle
and the fact that his only 'history' was reality tv and tabloids was perfect for the uneducated voter
but they have things to judge him a little more critically on
Sadly all these presidential elections are decided by people who can't really make a decision and flip flop to what ever candidate has the shiniest pin on their lapel
Hil got 65,845,063 votes…..Obama got 65,915,795 in 2008
Trump strategists were very freaking smart and they successfully took the electoral college with 3 mill less votes
Getting back to the Shultz statement….I'm not saying that he shouldn't run
but he should run in the dem primary, he's got to know if he is a credible candidate that running as an independent would greatly increase trumps re-election chances
Maybe we should turn the tables and go all reality TV with the Dems
They all live in the same house for a few months and every week registered democratic voters would be able to kick someone off the island
This is our election to lose (heard that before)
it's all a bout messaging and the Dems seem to suck (well its more to do with Dems know the world is complex and can't come up with a policy that's 140 characters)
take the news ….U.S. Treasury Set to Borrow $1 Trillion for a Second Year to Finance the Trump Tax Cut
seriously how can someone who calls them self a conservative be like "we need to lower spending and stop increasing the deficit"
but "it's ok to go in debt so big corps and the 1% get an awesome tax cut…hmm also as an avg American, didn't really more than $100 difference in my taxes" "Oh no big deal we don't have money for roads or teachers either, pile on the debt, that's how we solve this problem"
I'd like to see a Brown/Klobuchar or Brown/Harris ticket. Though it would be a chance-y move to give up one or two Senator spots in purple/red states. I like Bullock too, but nobody is going to rally around the governor of Montana.
Who gives a rat fuck about tickets? It never matters
It’s like something people talk about for no reason
It’s like something people talk about for no reason
Also saying you want A or B before candidates have even presented their ideas, shown their campaign style, demonstrated debate skills, shown how they will handle incoming fire and dealt with an in depth vetting and any potential skeletons in the closet is absolutely moronic and asking for trouble
The ideal approach is to stay open as long as possible and see how things shake out
The ideal approach is to stay open as long as possible and see how things shake out
Wow, sounds like someone needs a bj.
Someone needs a clue
well well well the Dems are putting some quality propsals on the table
course Mitch is pissed….as the GOP rigging of the American voting system may be exposed
Mitch pissed calling it a 'power grab' as Dems try to make election day a federal holiday
The far-reaching legislation would also prohibit the purging of voter rolls, require presidential and vice-presidential candidates to release their tax returns, compel states to adopt independent redistricting commissions and create a matching system for small-dollar donations to congressional campaigns, among other changes.
“Voting is a power grab. By citizens,” Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii)
I like this idea "combining Election Day with Veterans Day" then we don't have to worry about victimizmizing every American taxpayer -mitch's words
They are pissed because all the tricks and scams they do to supress voting are being exposed to light
I really hope the KY voters stick it to Mitch in 2020
course Mitch is pissed….as the GOP rigging of the American voting system may be exposed
Mitch pissed calling it a 'power grab' as Dems try to make election day a federal holiday
The far-reaching legislation would also prohibit the purging of voter rolls, require presidential and vice-presidential candidates to release their tax returns, compel states to adopt independent redistricting commissions and create a matching system for small-dollar donations to congressional campaigns, among other changes.
“Voting is a power grab. By citizens,” Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii)
I like this idea "combining Election Day with Veterans Day" then we don't have to worry about victimizmizing every American taxpayer -mitch's words
They are pissed because all the tricks and scams they do to supress voting are being exposed to light
I really hope the KY voters stick it to Mitch in 2020
Will need to flip senate in 2020 and win presidency to make this a reality…,it really needs to happen
I wonder if Supreme Court would declare it unconstitutional?
I wonder if Supreme Court would declare it unconstitutional?
I mean I could see a firestorm over this….Red states objecting etc
the GOP is blowing my mind as much as trump is these days. their cynicism is so naked.
over what?
hutch wrote:
I mean I could see a firestorm over this….Red states objecting etc
over what?
Ugh…over a mandatory day off on voting day
yeah, they'd go insane. because after years of snipping a little voters' rights here, a little bit there… it would all be undone, and then some, in one swoop.
Y’all do understand making a day a federal holiday in no way makes the majority of “poor” people have it off, right?
Not saying they should but once their overlords on Fox told them what to do they WOULD go nuts