The 2020 thread....

No conspiracy theories on my end.  I probably should've phrased it as "also interesting that Bernie and warren…".  I think this benefits both of them early on.

vansmack wrote:

nkotb wrote:
Also interesting to put Bernie and Warren on separate nights initially. They're the only two substantially different from the mob IMO…and would probably wind up agreeing more than disagreeing.  It'll be nice to have them push back on the centrist, corporate friendly folks right off the bat.

Before the conspiracy theories start, it was by lottery and made certain that those with above 2% were equally distributed across the two nights with those with less.  Representatives from all candidates were present.

Man, you make one little comment about how cool it is to pal around with segregationists and suddenly everyone is against you?!?! WTF!

I assume this is at Mitch…but don't know the details

You're pal and mine…

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-cites-segregationist-senators-he-recalls-past-civility-senate-n1019211

SideHatch-Act wrote:
I assume this is at Mitch…but don't know the details

here we go pointing our guns at each other

Hard to have been in the senate in the early 70s and not work with an outright racist in order to make compromises

My prediction is Joe is not long for this race
he has waaay too much baggage from a generation ago that the new left despises and are going to continue to point out every chance they or some dem-bro points out on twitter

I don't agree with Hutch that Joe is our only way to take PA/MI
I think plenty of these candidates can have support in the rust belt…just be wary of going too far left is my opnion

We should definitely point our (figurative, folks!) guns at Joe Biden.

SideHatch-Act wrote:
here we go pointing our guns at each other

Hard to have been in the senate in the early 70s and not work with an outright racist in order to make compromises

My prediction is Joe is not long for this race
he has waaay too much baggage from a generation ago that the new left despises and are going to continue to point out every chance they or some dem-bro points out on twitter

I don't agree with Hutch that Joe is our only way to take PA/MI
I think plenty of these candidates can have support in the rust belt…just be wary of going too far left is my opnion

nkotb wrote:
We should definitely point our (figurative, folks!) guns at Joe Biden.

Why…wouldn't it just be better to appeal to the voters that you (insert candidate) are the right choice
we don't have to play by the GOP playbook

I really think the Dem primary should be ranked choice
as a lot of people are convinced the 'safe bet' is biden and won't vote for who they really want

Yawn.

Look, it's not like anyone is digging up dirt on old Joe…he's doing the job himself.  But personally, I'd prefer the DNC learn a lesson from 2016, but so far, it doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, hell…a lot of these folks have bad ideas IMO, but at least they don't have the baggage or sexist/racist gaffes Joe does. That's a recipe for disaster.

SideHatch-Act wrote:

nkotb wrote:
We should definitely point our (figurative, folks!) guns at Joe Biden.

Why…wouldn't it just be better to appeal to the voters that you (insert candidate) are the right choice
we don't have to play by the GOP playbook

I really think the Dem primary should be ranked choice
as a lot of people are convinced the 'safe bet' is biden and won't vote for who they really want

nkotb wrote:
We should definitely point our (figurative, folks!) guns at Joe Biden.

I'm glad Julian's America died after writing an article where I said if DFA1979 ever tried to cross the boarder into Julian's America, our guards would shoot him onside so that years later nkotb would have the wherewithal to clarify he doesn't actually want someone to assassinate Joe Biden.

nkotb wrote:
But personally, I'd prefer the DNC learn a lesson from 2016, but so far, it doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, hell…a lot of these folks have bad ideas IMO, but at least they don't have the baggage or sexist/racist gaffes Joe does. That's a recipe for disaster.

Yes!  Fuck the DNC!  The real enemy!

Definitely not that guy in the White House!

Just because one thing is bad doesn't mean the other is good.

I have plans to absolutely drop what i'm doing the second Trump dies and head to the first bar I can find to buy a round for everyone.  And beyond a few of the folks running, I'm probably 85% certain I'll vote for whoever wins the nomination

But if the DNC doesn't get it's act together, they're going to make small gains (if any!) and make something much worse than Trump.  I don't think they've really acknowledged how much responsibility they have for how bad things are.

vansmack wrote:

nkotb wrote:
But personally, I'd prefer the DNC learn a lesson from 2016, but so far, it doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, hell…a lot of these folks have bad ideas IMO, but at least they don't have the baggage or sexist/racist gaffes Joe does. That's a recipe for disaster.

Yes!  Fuck the DNC!  The real enemy!

Definitely not that guy in the White House!

vansmack wrote:

nkotb wrote:
But personally, I'd prefer the DNC learn a lesson from 2016, but so far, it doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, hell…a lot of these folks have bad ideas IMO, but at least they don't have the baggage or sexist/racist gaffes Joe does. That's a recipe for disaster.

Yes!  Fuck the DNC!  The real enemy!

Definitely not that guy in the White House!

seriously this is my point
Joe has baggage, but why do the dem's have to point it out and make it look like a cat fight
the media and Team trump will do enough it to fill everyone's mind

I will say that I though the DNA test thing warren did would have been her undoing
but she seems to be holding strong and getting lots of support

I know NKOTB is going to whine, but I don't think the primary voters are going to fall in love with Bernie
I think he has a strong base, but it has a ceiling and it's not very high IMO
I really like a lot of his ideas, but don't think he's going to cross the finish line

Pete too, he's getting a lot of attention now, but this won't last.  He really is perfect for the democratic party and I look forward to him as a future leader.  He also seems like the kind of guy who will be scandal free


Yikes…just read this The president said he was thinking about live-tweeting the upcoming Democratic presidential debates
going to be like shooting fish in a barrel :(

nkotb wrote:I'm probably 85% certain I'll vote for whoever wins the nomination

I don't think they've really acknowledged how much responsibility they have for how bad things are.

yikes dude, there is not a single D (well gravel and maybe manchin) that is worse that Trump
you have to have the power to make change (internally as well)
but that you would not vote or vote for trump because you didn't get the perfect dem is pure insanity

stop smoking crack during the work day

vansmack wrote:

SideHatch-Act wrote:
so modest, not sure why you aren't going to be on the debate stage in a few weeks

There is no room in either party for a pragmatic centrist with socially liberal stances, matched with fiscal conservatism.

I don't know man…I think there is a demand for this
Not sure you'd want all 18k posts dug up by brietbart and shared with the world

85% is pretty high, I think, especially given I couldn't tell you word one about a handful of them and two (Hickenlooper and Delaney) i only know about for them getting booed.!  But just because I'm not sold on any of these folks doesn't mean I would ever vote for Trump, or any Republican, for that matter.  Fuck those guys into the sun.

Even though i think centrism is going to be the death of us all, there's a lot I'd be willing to bend for in the general, but the environment isn't one.  At this point, anyone that's not full tilt into throwing all resources behind it isn't getting my vote.  Half-measures here are the same as climate denial at this point.

SideHatch-Act wrote:

nkotb wrote:I'm probably 85% certain I'll vote for whoever wins the nomination

I don't think they've really acknowledged how much responsibility they have for how bad things are.

yikes dude, there is not a single D (well gravel and maybe manchin) that is worse that Trump
you have to have the power to make change (internally as well)
but that you would not vote or vote for trump because you didn't get the perfect dem is pure insanity

stop smoking crack during the work day

Unrelated, I did finally hear Old Town Road this morning (albeit from a 3rd grade ukulele concert) and I think it's safe to say I hate it yet somehow it still slaps.  Perfect song.

nkotb wrote:Half-measures here are the same as climate denial at this point.

agree, but my feeling is …get this shit done once we have regained the Exec and hopefully the senate
I don't think grandiose statements on achieving zero emissions by 2024 is needed.  I think showing that it is an important part of your platform and some outlines of how you'd do it

Like it or not…the undecideds get to decide these elections and in the end we need to make sure they vote and vote D

even with the Trump dis…alleged pedophile Roy Moore announces he's running for Alabama Senate seat

most things about joe I like…but his hatred of raves….is unconscionable
Biden hates Raves