The 2020 thread....

gavroche wrote:

Space wrote:
Does anybody read the political forum on DCUM?

This is how one person there explained the appeal of Trump:

I will say as a someone who does not support trump but does identify as on the center-right, I find it appealing. He speaks plainly. We’ve had a lot of smart people mismanage a lot of important things. Someone who isn’t particularly intellectual just sort of feels appealing, even if I know in my head that it’s probably best for the president to be smart.

I'm willing to grant all of that.  But he still seems like he'd be a horrible bore to drink with.  Thin skinned, and egotistical. One of those guys who tells long stories about himself and than you'd have to watch every word that you said, less he took offense.

Plus, he doesn't drink. I want a moderate drinker as my president.

I think you give Trump too much credit. You're talking about Trump from 10 years ago. Now, I think he's a dementia ridden old man who repeats simple taking points and can't  string together a coherent sentence, even about himself.

Space wrote:
We’ve had a lot of smart people mismanage a lot of important things.

instead, now we have idiots mismanaging everything.

I knew it was Morning Consult…just grabbed the wrong link: https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

greatly wrote:
Bernie Sanders maintained his position as America’s most popular senator, with 64 percent of voters in his state approving of him
that isn't nation wide

Still trying huh?


His popularity in Vermont has zero to do with his likability nationwide


If he was running for President of Vermont he would be the odds on favorite

He is in deep trouble

Running against only Hillary is very different than running against so many other solid candidates

Hutch can you read?

Yeah…can you?

It seems like you are having trouble with reading comprehension

I mean I cited likability as being important and you come back with his popularity in Vermont?

So ducking what? It’s an incredibly liberal state and he has been the Senator for them for decades..he wouldn’t be re-elected if he wasn’t popular

That doesn’t make him likable on a national level

I personally detest him
You want a cookie?

I take what I said back…maybe there where too many posts for you to keep up.  I'll try again.

nkotb wrote:
I knew it was Morning Consult…just grabbed the wrong link: https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

greatly wrote:
Bernie Sanders maintained his position as America’s most popular senator, with 64 percent of voters in his state approving of him
that isn't nation wide

Explain what you are trying to say…posting a link to a bunch of charts doesn’t say anything

Seth Moulton drops out and I feel fine
…what's that 21 left?

Who?

hutch wrote:
Who?

Isn't he an SNL cast member? (Seth Moulton)

hutch wrote:
Who?

Looks like Moulton could do the Henry Rollins bio-pic

i, don't trust guys who walk around with the top two buttons, unbuttoned, on their button downs.

WalkOnBack wrote:
i, don't trust guys who walk around with the top two buttons, unbuttoned, on their button downs.

How about if they do it sitting down?

sloppy . . . as in sloppy, seconds . . . at the table.

I don’t know that I agree with this….or not


https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/23/us/trump-obama-change-blake/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

interesting article….I've always said Trump's greatest accomplishment will be he got everyone talking about the government, how it runs, what the rules are and should they change. Conservatives, liberals and those in between… all of them are more vested and interested in what is going on than ever before.  Now I feel it's mostly about liberal tears on the one side, but they are still learning more about Civics since they were in elementary school.

I do think people didn't realize the gravity of that election and that sucks and the impacts will be long lasting (especially in the courts)  But I gotta imagine that voter turnout in 2020 will be tremendous.  I'm confident it will set records.  I think that will also have a great impact in all other seats of government in that election too.  I know hubris…gotta watch it


three years later the pain has led to something else: A "Trumplash," a ferocious backlash against the President that's boosted progressives and weakened conservatives in several ways.

He's pushed more progressives to get involved in politics.

His denigration of women inadvertently helped inspire a record number of women running for the House in the 2018 midterms.

His immigration policies ensure that Latinos, the nation's second-largest ethnic group, now lean decisively toward the Democratic party.
Trump also helped do something else that Obama couldn't. He revived the Obama Coalition, the group of young voters, women and racial minorities that first put Obama in office.

Trump has taken away one of the most effective weapons used by racists – plausible deniability,
Kruse told me.
"Racist policies work better when they don't seem to be racist," Kruse said. "If you could give voters in the middle some plausible deniability that this isn't about race – 'I don't believe in segregation, I believe in neighborhood schools; it's not voter suppression, it's voter integrity' – If you put a more positive spin on it, it invites more people in who don't see this policy as racist.
"Once the veneer comes off, a lot of people in the middle will shy away," he added. "Trump has taken away the veneer."

Just not convinced about Latino vote shifting…is there any evidence?

Remember many Latinos come from cultures that traditionally have strongmen as leaders, that Latinos here legally are probably the number one group adversely affected by illegal immigrants (taking their jobs), that Latinos benefit from the stronger economy and that Trump has done everything to get strong support from the critical Latino subgroup of Cuban Americans (Florida Florida Florida)

Logic tells us Latinos should hate Trump more than previous Republican leaders but what do the facts say

On the flip side I have to believe Trump has lost support among Puerto Ricans

Also even if we accept he loses some Latino support he may make it up by driving white and black support up with his anti Latino rhetoric and action

you forgot to add that Latinos tend to be more religious/anti-abortion…a republican centerpiece

Well I thought it!