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The 2020 thread....

Sidehatch
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 10, 2019 at 08:31 PM UTC #
gavroche wrote:
My sense is that Trump being on the ballot will help R's in Texas in 2020; but that's just my gut.

my sense is that Cornyn is a stronger candidate than Cruz.

you are a very sense-itive person I see :)

although I want to believe different…you nailed it on #1
#2…hard to say.  I really don't know how the avg Texan thinks of Cruz…sounds like they are split, but he had enough of a base to deliver the mid-term election. 
I don't really know how anyone can like Cruz, but alas he has a deep base.  Was #3 or 4 in the 2016 republican primary too

Cornyn….he seems like a texan's texan and will be hard to unseat that incumbent
but Beto proved he can turn out the vote, I think if he's on the ticket and can really energize Dems to come to the polls…could also be a game changer on who TX picks for pres….but I'm not holding my breath

Just found this from feb
Cornyn less popular than Cruz in Texas: poll

I think the DNC is really liking MJ Hegar
Military women seem to be like a wining strategy and I can't really argue with that

gavroche
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 10, 2019 at 08:38 PM UTC #
abeyance-hatch wrote:
gavroche wrote:
My sense is that Trump being on the ballot will help R's in Texas in 2020; but that's just my gut.

my sense is that Cornyn is a stronger candidate than Cruz.

you are a very sense-itive person I see :)

although I want to believe different…you nailed it on #1
#2…hard to say.  I really don't know how the avg Texan thinks of Cruz…sounds like they are split, but he had enough of a base to deliver the mid-term election. 
I don't really know how anyone can like Cruz, but alas he has a deep base.  Was #3 or 4 in the 2016 republican primary too

Cornyn….he seems like a texan's texan and will be hard to unseat that incumbent
but Beto proved he can turn out the vote, I think if he's on the ticket and can really energize Dems to come to the polls…could also be a game changer on who TX picks for pres….but I'm not holding my breath

Just found this from feb
Cornyn less popular than Cruz in Texas: poll

I think the DNC is really liking MJ Hegar
Military women seem to be like a wining strategy and I can't really argue with that


That's the poll I was referring to.  Notice Cornyn is less popular, but he also has less people that hate also polls much less negatively too.  I think in an R leaning state that would make Cornyn a stronger candidate because he has more potential upside.  But again, just my instincts; I'm definitely not a Texan.
Sidehatch
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 10, 2019 at 08:39 PM UTC #
Beto and Bill going with Strummer! (which means they will lose ;))
John D with a good pick for a candidate
Gillibrand going with the only edgy pick on here
Tim Ryan should be booted out on that pick alone

19 Democratic candidates visited the Iowa Democratic Party's Hall of Fame yesterday to deliver a five-minute campaign pitch to a throng of state party activists — and they hit the stage with a walk-out song of their own choosing, per TIME's Lissandra Villa:

    Michael Bennet: "The Rising," Bruce Springsteen
    Cory Booker: "Lovely Day," Bill Withers
    Steve Bullock: "Small Town," John Mellencamp
    Pete Buttigieg: "Never Giving Up," Batchelor
    Bill de Blasio: "Rudie Can't Fail," The Clash
    John Delaney: "I've Been Everywhere," Johnny Cash
    Tulsi Gabbard: "Ain't No Mountain High Enough," Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell
    Kirsten Gillibrand: "Good as Hell," Lizzo
    Kamala Harris: "Work That," Mary J. Blige
    John Hickenlooper: "Good Life," OneRepublic
    Jay Inslee: "Mr. Blue Sky," Electric Light Orchestra
    Amy Klobuchar: "The Bullpen," Dessa
    Beto O'Rourke: "Clampdown," The Clash
    Tim Ryan: "Old Town Road," Lil Nas X feat. Billy Ray Cyrus
    Bernie Sanders: "Power to the People," John Lennon
    Eric Swalwell: "Caught Up in the Country," Rodney Atkins
    Elizabeth Warren: "9 to 5," Dolly Parton
    Marianne Williamson: "Higher Ground," Stevie Wonder
    Andrew Yang: "Return of the Mack," Mark Morrison
gavroche
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 10, 2019 at 08:40 PM UTC #
abeyance-hatch wrote:
I think the DNC is really liking MJ Hegar
Military women seem to be like a wining strategy and I can't really argue with that


Sadly, I think you need to make that White Military Women.  (Though I not so secretly think that Tammy Duckworth would be the Dems strongest candidate against Trump in a national election).
gavroche
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 10, 2019 at 08:49 PM UTC #
abeyance-hatch wrote:

    Eric Swalwell: "Caught Up in the Country," Rodney Atkins



I have no idea why Swalwell thinks he can pull this off.

And Mayor Pete's pick seems kind of edgy to me.
jrpa
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 10, 2019 at 08:53 PM UTC #
Yang and Gillibrand are the interesting choices.
Sidehatch
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 10, 2019 at 08:53 PM UTC #
gavroche wrote:
abeyance-hatch wrote:

    Eric Swalwell: "Caught Up in the Country," Rodney Atkins



I have no idea why Swalwell thinks he can pull this off.

And Mayor Pete's pick seems kind of edgy to me.

never heard that before, but sounds like what AI would do if it was asked to create a Nash-vegas song
(just watched the video… at the end is pure fiction that would be the crowd that shows up at an Atkins show)

I had to look up Pete's too…kinda edgy, but I'm a little shocked he didn't come out to a Mellencamp song
gavroche
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 10, 2019 at 09:08 PM UTC #
gavroche wrote:
abeyance-hatch wrote:

    Eric Swalwell: "Caught Up in the Country," Rodney Atkins



I have no idea why Swalwell thinks he can pull this off.

And Mayor Pete's pick seems kind of edgy to me.


I had to look up a bunch of these, including Mayor Petes.  I actually found this exercise more telling than I thought.  I just don't think Swalwell pulls off country boy very authentically.

As for Mayor Pete, I just think it's weird signaling.

And of course Bernie picking the Lennon Power to the People says everything about him.  If he'd picked Curtis Mayfield I think the signal would have been better (and yes, I realize this is Iowa)
sweetcell
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 10, 2019 at 09:55 PM UTC #
abeyance-hatch wrote:
    Steve Bullock: "Small Town," John Mellencamp
    Tulsi Gabbard: "Ain't No Mountain High Enough," Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell
    Tim Ryan: "Old Town Road," Lil Nas X feat. Billy Ray Cyrus
    Elizabeth Warren: "9 to 5," Dolly Parton

^ cringe-worthy 
vansmack
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 10, 2019 at 10:39 PM UTC #
You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"
gavroche
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 10, 2019 at 11:03 PM UTC #
vansmack wrote:
You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"


Trump has convinced 40% of the country that his lies are true… so it's not inconceivable that you could change my mind about
"Old Town Road."  Make your case.
sweetcell
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 11, 2019 at 12:22 AM UTC #
vansmack wrote:
You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"

my cringing has less to do with the song itself, and more about its selection and who selected it.
Sidehatch
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 11, 2019 at 12:57 AM UTC #
gavroche wrote:

And of course Bernie picking the Lennon Power to the People says everything about him.  If he'd picked Curtis Mayfield I think the signal would have been better (and yes, I realize this is Iowa)

Funny I was going the other way of thinking and he should’ve done Patti Smith's people have the power
Sidehatch
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 11, 2019 at 03:45 AM UTC #
gavroche wrote:
vansmack wrote:
You are all wrong about "Old Town Road"

  Make your case.

I think you have been called out and I'm interested in your response.

vansmack
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 11, 2019 at 11:19 PM UTC #
abeyance-hatch wrote:
I think you have been called out and I'm interested in your response.


gavroche wrote:
Trump has convinced 40% of the country that his lies are true… so it's not inconceivable that you could change my mind about
"Old Town Road."  Make your case.




vansmack
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 11, 2019 at 11:28 PM UTC #
excontradiction wrote:
If this doesn’t change your mind, nothing will:

https://www.switchedonpop.com/no-country-for-old-town-road/


I'm on the road and will give this a listen, until thenthis article sums up most of my thoughts.

It bucks all traditions, from how it was made, how it was marketed, how it was released, how its video was made and distributed, its viral aspects, and so on.  It's an insanely catchy ditty made by a nineteen year old kid at home that nobody can put in a box, pissed everybody off and it's ABSOLUTELY fucking outlaw brilliant.
sweetcell
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 11, 2019 at 11:35 PM UTC #
gavroche wrote:
Trump has convinced 40% of the country that they don't need to care about his lies…

FTFY.
vansmack
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 12, 2019 at 02:16 AM UTC #
I'm halfway through this podcast excontradiction, and loving it. Thanks for the share.
Sidehatch
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Re: The 2020 thread.... June 12, 2019 at 12:45 PM UTC #
vansmack wrote:
excontradiction wrote:
If this doesn’t change your mind, nothing will:

https://www.switchedonpop.com/no-country-for-old-town-road/


I'm on the road and will give this a listen, until thenthis article sums up most of my thoughts.

It bucks all traditions, from how it was made, how it was marketed, how it was released, how its video was made and distributed, its viral aspects, and so on.  It's an insanely catchy ditty made by a nineteen year old kid at home that nobody can put in a box, pissed everybody off and it's ABSOLUTELY fucking outlaw brilliant.

I get that and I'm impressed by the non-musical aspect
Especially the cross-genre aspect that really hasn't been breached since DMC/Areosmith's 'Walk this way'
honestly I'm still shocked that 98% of music is still coming from the 'system' and more small self-made acts aren't getting attention with the ability to distribute for free for over a decade

it's slightly catchy tune, but after 3 listens, I've heard it more that I ever wanted to hear it

That link in Excon pod cast is killer too
https://twitter.com/BOONAPALISTA/status/1114744304910647297
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In celebration of lil nas x and billy ray cyrus collaborating for the old town road remix, here’s a thread of Black artists and their collaborations with country music stars:
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