The 2020 thread....

Space wrote:
I've used buttplugs before, and don't consider them at all perverted. So for me to call someone named Buttigieg "Buttplug" means I'm being playful with their and admittedly a little juvenile.

Solid argument here.  I take shits, so therefore I am entitled to call people pieces of shit because I'm being playful and juvenile, their thoughts and concerns be damned.

All this is was an exercise on Rhett wanting us to know that he used buttplugs once and flirted with men.  When we all didn't bite the first time he mentioned it, he raised the stakes and got everyone's attention.  I still don't care.  Golf clap…. 

He is still a little green but I like him

I like them all except one or two and they would all be better than Trump


I just think Biden has a better chance to beat Trump than a thirty something Mayor from South Bend etc…I mean decades of experience as a Senator and being VP for 8 years should be a plus…it is for me….but it seems a lot of the Democratic Party would rather have a socialist or a minor local Texas pol

Julian, wrote:
I still maintain the buttplug joke is funnier if its hyphenated but this is apparently my mountain to die upon [font=Verdana]alone[/font].

I'm not necessarily opposed to your point. When I am saying the name verbally, do I pronounce the hyphen?

hutch wrote:
He is still a little green but I like him

I like them all except one or two and they would all be better than Trump


I just think Biden has a better chance to beat Trump than a thirty something Mayor from South Bend etc…I mean decades of experience as a Senator and being VP for 8 years should be a plus…it is for me….but it seems a lot of the Democratic Party would rather have a socialist or a minor local Texas pol

It's kind of funny that I'm politically aligned with Hutch and married to a Bernie bro.

Space wrote:

Relaxer wrote:

Space wrote:

Relaxer wrote:
Space has continued to make his homophobic comedy jokes about Buttigieg, ignoring that he's a war veteran, a mayor, and a Democratic candidate for president because gay = sordid pervert in his mind.

Well Mr. S.R. Woke, I can guarantee that's what the Orange Fatty will nickname young Lieutenant Peter should he beat the odds and become the nominee. Just beating him to the punch.

So you're saying you're as big of an asshole as Trump is. Ok got it.
Also, I highly doubt that Trump will use such a blatantly toxic nickname as Mayor Buttplug. So you're even worse than Trump. Congrats guy.

I have an answer to this one finally. I've been a champion of gay rights for 30+ years, arguing in favor of gay marriage and equal rights long before Tulsi Gabbard or Barack Obama were gay-friendly.. As a single person, i led a free spirited life where gender lines were blurred. I've used buttplugs before, and don't consider them at all perverted. So for me to call someone named Buttigieg "Buttplug" means I'm being playful with their and admittedly a little juvenile. I would call him that no matter what his gender or sexual preferences were. If anything, my using it proves I have a Beavis and Buttplug juvenile mentality, which i understand doesn't appeal to some adults. But for you to say it's "homophobic"  for anybody to say it just shows that you're one of those politically correct idiots who are unable to see anything any way other than via your lazily defined black and white rules. In that respect, you're no different than a fundamentalist religious idiot.

I would also argue that it would be worse if Trump said it compared to me saying it, because the POTUS should be held to higher standards when it comes to juvenile behavior than some guy on an internet message board.

the problem here is lack of context.  yes, if we all knew in advance of space's experiences and positions, maybe we could have rolled with it.  but we don't know that, so the initial impression will be one of offence and there isn't much you can do to change that impression (space's reputation for trolling doesn't help).

hypothetical: i make a seemingly racist comment about an african-american candidate.  folks would be justified in calling me out for my racist statement.  following it up with tales of how i got a minor in african-american studies, i've marched for affirmative action, i've had numerous black girlfriends, everyone should just lighten up, etc. won't do much to change the mind of those who saw my comment in a vacuum.  my reputation as a shit-stirrer wouldn't help, either.


this brings up a topic i've been struggling with, in these times of #metoo, wokeness, political correctness, etc.: are minorities and vulnerable groups above criticism?  Ilhan Omar got in trouble for implying that US support of Israel is directly related to the influence of jewish money.  but is anyone denying that politicians are influenced by money, and that there are various pro-Israel lobbies that are doing what lobbyists do: throw around money?  is anyone getting up in arms about the NRA or Big Pharma using money to influence policy? (no, folks are upset about the policy positions they are pushing - not the mere fact that those groups and money were mentioned in the same sentence).  there are some ugly, ugly stereotypes regarding jews and money that ought to be condemned… but does that mean we can never talk about how jewish lobbies use money?  so they get a permanent free pass?  is there a right way to bring this up without coming across as insensitive, racist, etc.?  i wouldn't be surprised if i'm missing the point here, folks are encouraged to enlighten me.


TL;DR: we're all jerks.

Let's all just agree to do 5 Julians For The Future and 1 Our Father as penance and call it a day.

Wait a minute: Space is gay and married to a Bernie Bro?!?

Good points by Sweetcell and if I weren't waist deep in some programming difficulties, I might tackle them.

To me, calling someone a "Buttplug" isn't homophobic. Regardless if the person being called that is gay or not gay. Straight people, bi people, and gay people engage in butt play, sometimes with buttplugs. To associate the word with gays specifically seems to be stereotyping on Relaxer's part. It's juvenile, bot not homophobic.

And to me, it doesn't matter who is dong the namecalling. Calling someone a "Buttplug" is just not homophobic in my book. Seeing two guys holding hands and then beating the shit out of the guys while calling them "Buttplugs" in my estimation IS homophobic. Not the calling them "Buttplugs" part, but the beating the shit out of them part. Which of course I would condemn.

sweetcell wrote:

TL;DR: we're all jerks.

That was a pretty good post, but to end with we're all jerks is kind of like Trump saying there were some very fine people on both sides in Charlottesville. Space did his homophobic asshole schtick and I called him out on it. He responded by saying that I'm being a politically correct idiot and a fundamentalist religious idiot, which is exactly what Trump would say. So the lesson from Space is, "when I'm making my hilarious homophobic or racist jokes, you're being a fragile snowflake if it bothers you and here's my progressive resume that I'll dick-wave around."

But yeah, we're both to blame here. I'll be a SJW and Space can be a toxic piece of shit. And I doubt anybody would argue with that.

Oh phew, the straight white man doesn't think something is homophobic. I'm sure gay people around the world are thrilled to hear that you've straightened this up for them and that they have nothing to worry about.

Relaxer wrote:

sweetcell wrote:

TL;DR: we're all jerks.

That was a pretty good post, but to end with we're all jerks is kind of like Trump saying there were some very fine people on both sides in Charlottesville. Space did his homophobic asshole schtick and I called him out on it. He responded by saying that I'm being a politically correct idiot and a fundamentalist religious idiot, which is exactly what Trump would say. So the lesson from Space is, "when I'm making my hilarious homophobic or racist jokes, you're being a fragile snowflake if it bothers you and here's my progressive resume that I'll dick-wave around."

But yeah, we're both to blame here. I'll be a SJW and Space can be a toxic piece of shit. And I doubt anybody would argue with that.

How is calling someone named Buttigieg "Buttplug" homophobic?

It's asshole like you who are going to get Trump re-elected.

um relaxer…you need to relax

Ilhan Omar got in trouble for implying that US support of Israel is directly related to the influence of jewish money.

as with much things…this is nuanced
but, I'm totally with you
1. I think Israel and Jewish people in general are great…but the are not above reproach and criticism.  For some reason we are in this place where any commentary is Anti-Semitic and it's BS.  I think they have some very Right-Wing policies I don't agree with, I am very opposed to their settlement/occupation tactic and think that the Israel Lobby exerts power on congress I would say is greater than the NRA as they greatly influence both sides.

2. Omar is a target for a long list of things (mostly from the right):  a woman, a monitory, Somalian born immigrant who was granted Assulym …and most importantly a visible (hijab) member of a religion that the right/faux news has labeled that every member is a terroists:
“Fox & Friends,” co-host Brian Kilmeade claimed in 2010 that “all terrorists are Muslims.”
“Muslim immigration means more Islamic terrorism,” said Pamela Geller on Sean Hannity’s show in 2017.
Fox News’ perpetuation of anti-Muslim hysteria include pushing the conspiracy that Sharia, a religious framework that Muslims adhere to in everyday life, is set to take over the U.S. government and replace it with a violent, backward legal framework. (No national Muslim organization has ever called for Sharia to supersede American courts. In fact, the sheer idea goes against how Sharia actually works.)
Newt Gingrich said “test every person here who is of a Muslim background, and if they believe in Sharia, they should be deported,” as he told the network’s Sean Hannity.

I mean it's one thing for some white person to criticize Israel….but a African American Muslim woman in congress…time for the pitchforks

I am so clueless…without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything

Fingers crossed I didn't miss a Julian's America post about them when I was on board hiatus

hutch wrote:
I am so clueless…without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything

hutch wrote:
I am so clueless…without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything

i strongly recommend that you google "buttplug".

sweetcell wrote:

hutch wrote:
I am so clueless…without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything

i strongly recommend that you google "buttplug".

Here's a good one. Note: Surprisingly fairly safe for work. Note #2: I am not at work today.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/GEA27G36B/drumpf-plug?optionId=59356798&li=more-from-shop

sweetcell wrote:

hutch wrote:
I am so clueless…without getting graphic what are buttplugs for? I am racking my brain but I am not coming up with anything

i strongly recommend that you google "buttplug".

It sounds kind of scary….

definition of a butt plug . . . about eight inches.  try it; you'll agree.

you really think the liberals with all their tattoos and macbook pros would be better at the meme game….but this one made me chuckle

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