The 2020 thread....

I was referring to Sidehatch

Bernie is a non-starter for too many reasons to list

He has no chance to do anything other than play spoiler at a brokered convention

It is important to recognize that in a growing economy with increasing take home pay socialism loses its attractiveness to all but the hardest supporters

But I am glad if people support the candidate that appeals to them as long as they eventually come around to reality

Trump will be almost unbeatable and democrats will need to rally around the strongest candidate to oppose him. This economic recovery began under President Obama’s administration and when the recovery is just picking up steam voters will want someone to ensure it continues not someone to blow it up and try socialism

That someone would be me

honestly this amounts to less than $1000 per year for most of these workers (who-hoo, what am I going to spend that extra $40 in my pay check on!)

I gotta imagine that real take home is less with heathcare costs rising so dramatically in the last decade

hardly life changing, but going in a direction that would hurt Dem's chances

Joe wrote:
That just shows how out of touch you are in your DC bubble if you discount an extra grand a year for low income workers ..it can be the difference between make or break

Everybody is benefiting from this economy and you better believe voters will credit the President

So you cherry picked there…as I addressed that and stated that the actual take home pay may actually be LESS due to healthcare costs, but sometimes that hard to see as it's not on your paycheck

I'm not discounting that $1000 more means something to someone on the bottom…when you put it like that.  But if you told them they were getting a $4 a day wage increase, but their heathcare costs are going up $5 a day…do you think they'd be excited?

These people on the bottom rarely get employer paid heathcare, so they roll the dice with crappy plans or no plan at all…typically turns out bad
but that is hard to fit this concept into 140 character tweet

I think the dems have to come up with a easy way to understand how they will impact people's heath care costs.  it's becoming the largest line item on most poor families budget

People will blame Obama for rising health care costs!!! Trump is running against the health care saying he can do something better


I am sure many lower income people have higher income even after rising health care costs…

Without me democrats are toast even with me we only have 25% chance of winning White House

Right, and that's not even accounting for other social safety net benefits that are being cut or are on the chopping block by Republicans.  And honestly, only two candidates are actually talking about that stuff in tangible ways that people can relate to…Warren and Sanders (though even Warren gets muddled into too much wonk-ery sometimes).

Biden is complicit in practically every bad policy decision for the last 30 years, and all of those have made life worse for most folks in the middle class. There's no way that's not going to bite him in the ass in the primaries and beyond (which I can't see him making, but weirder things have happened).  It's the same shit with Hillary…at some point you'd think these folks would learn a lesson but maybe not!

Sïdehätch wrote:

honestly this amounts to less than $1000 per year for most of these workers (who-hoo, what am I going to spend that extra $40 in my pay check on!)

I gotta imagine that real take home is less with heathcare costs rising so dramatically in the last decade

hardly life changing, but going in a direction that would hurt Dem's chances

Joe wrote:
That just shows how out of touch you are in your DC bubble if you discount an extra grand a year for low income workers ..it can be the difference between make or break

Everybody is benefiting from this economy and you better believe voters will credit the President

So you cherry picked there…as I addressed that and stated that the actual take home pay may actually be LESS due to healthcare costs, but sometimes that hard to see as it's not on your paycheck

I'm not discounting that $1000 more means something to someone on the bottom…when you put it like that.  But if you told them they were getting a $4 a day wage increase, but their heathcare costs are going up $5 a day…do you think they'd be excited?

These people on the bottom rarely get employer paid heathcare, so they roll the dice with crappy plans or no plan at all…typically turns out bad
but that is hard to fit this concept into 140 character tweet

I think the dems have to come up with a easy way to understand how they will impact people's heath care costs.  it's becoming the largest line item on most poor families budget

^This kind of idiocy gave us Trump and yet there is no learning going on….


I was VP for 8 years in an exemplary presidency but apparently am complicit in every bad thing that has happened the past 30 years.

Give me a break

Joe…getting trounced by beto and tied with your bro…bernie

Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas) leads President Trump by 10 points in a hypothetical general election matchup, according to a new CNN–SSRS poll.

The survey released Thursday shows O’Rourke with support from 52 percent of registered voters, compared with Trump's 42 percent. Two percent of voters said they wouldn’t support either candidate, and 4 percent said they had no opinion.

O'Rourke held the widest lead over Trump among other Democratic presidential candidates who were included in the potential matchup.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and former Vice President Joe Biden tied for second place behind O'Rourke, with each leading Trump by 6 points.

The crazy thing about Bernie people is they feel a visceral need to trash the opponent (now Biden , before Hillary)

Make a case for yourself Betnie. But of course Bernie is not a democrat so he wants to set the party on fire. If he doesn’t win he is taking everybody down as he did in 2016. Except it will be worse because he knows it’s his last shot so he personally has nothing to lose.

Do Bernie supporters ever look at the Trump shitshow and say “Hey you know actually Hillary would have been so much better”

Of course not and that is how we know they lack any grasp of reality or accountability

I still don't buy that Bernie is reason Trump won…but that's your hill to die on

But of course Bernie is not a democrat so he wants to set the party on fire.

that I agree with

In good news…Federal judges toss out Ohio’s congressional map as illegal gerrymander

Friday that Ohio’s gerrymandered congressional district map is unconstitutional, and ordered the creation of a new map in time for the 2020 election.

This is the latest in a series of decisions across the country striking down partisan maps, including in neighboring Michigan and Pennsylvania. Plus, Supreme Court rulings are pending for cases out of North Carolina and Maryland.

trump won with a 400K more votes in OH in 2016, but this should help in congress
where it helps is it brings more people to the polls who were marginalized by the gerry-mander

Joe wrote:
I am sure many lower income people have higher income even after rising health care costs…

Americans have gotten $0.01 more in bonuses since Trump's tax cuts

Big businesses promised wage hikes from Trump's tax cuts. What actually happened?
Corporations are using savings from the 2017 tax law to continue to buy back billions in stock after trumpeting employee bonuses and benefits.

stark contrast to how Trump and Republican lawmakers sold the tax law. "You're going to start seeing a lot more money in your paycheck," Trump said a year ago at an event in Nashville, Tennessee. A couple months earlier, Trump, and then-House Speaker Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., boasted the tax law would likely give typical households a $4,000 a year wage hike, with the White House reporting wages could even increase by more than $9,000 a year.

that did not happen even remotely

Companies spent $929 billion on stock buybacks compared to $7.1 billion on wage increases and bonuses

Ehhhhhhh….

Joe wrote:
exemplary presidency

Joe…the right can't seem to stop talking about Hunter
…and some not so kosher international dealings in the Ukraine and china….what say you about these allegations

Fake news?

Joe wrote:
Fake news?

works for Trump…but his base believes everything he says
won't work on the dems…
get ahead of this man…least it's better than groping kids

Trashing awful Joe Biden aside…so his one son married the widow of the other son?!?!  That's some Deadwood shit, man.

I may have to retire from this board

Joe wrote:
I may have to retire from this board

dang joe…can't take the heat, not sure you're a good fit for the job

Joe wrote:
I may have to retire from this board

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Joe wrote:
But of course Bernie is not a democrat so he wants to set the party on fire.

Fox News: Details of Sanders’ Soviet ‘honeymoon’ exposed, as entourage member recalls shock at Bernie’s America-bashing

oh noes!!!111

Relatable as I'm also too busy to do stuff

Joe Biden says he ‘doesn’t have time’ to lay out his healthcare plan

this guy needs our support

I was shocked to hear that he represents a portion of Julian's America with all the gerrymandering going on