my feet stink. i need to get new shoes.
Just Announced Commentary - 2011 Edition
hutch wrote:
and thats the thing..its all about the benjamins.. if i got them good for me and if you don't you suck
when you extend that logic to everything.. it really is a social darwinist jungle and why don't you sign up for the tea party rally while you're at it
times changed… for a long time concerts where a communal shared experience.. the idea of charging someone more money than you yourself paid, for decades, would have been laughed at.. the idea of buying tickets for a concert you had no intention of every going to would have not ocurred to you… i'm' sure maybe in NYC the ticket reselling business got an early start though…but in the main since the idea was that together you were experiencining something and that sharing in that experience was a part of that very experience why would you screw over the person you were sharing in that experience with?.. heck the bands wouldn't realy charge you all that much either because they shared in that experience with you
now its hard to relate that.. concerts are a big business..its a jungle out there and if you have to screw someone else to make a living hey its no different than your day job, right?
i think some of the comments on this thread illustrate just how much the shared cultural mindset has changed…. if you'd said some of the things people are writing on this thread thirty years ago you'd have been laughed at and considered a prick…
and when you look at a picasso you don't interact with the picasso or the people around you looking at the picasso which is why that is a terrible example…
now we can say that because people in general felt that way before doesn't mean they are any better than people today who think scalping is fine and in fact what should be frowned on are people who are against it… but i think we can also say that something was probably lost along the way…
FWIW, This is a great book on the subject:
http://www.seattlepi.com/lifestyle/blogcritics/article/Book-Review-Ticket-Masters-The-Rise-Of-The-1417702.php
walkonby wrote:Walkie, what the hell took you so long to comment? I used the phrase " idealistic Phish free-kindbud for everyone universe" 2 pages ago and was certain you'd be somehow summoned here momentarily.
my feet stink. i need to get new shoes.
too much reading. i enjoy yelling and screaming, when i dont have to read so much.
ok, i just read it . . . besides the chicken parm talk, simply because i am hungry right now, i fully believe in reselling tickets, reselling anything, making money, making all the money, making fuck you money, making whore money. you know what else i believe in? not giving a shit what other people think about me.
Man there has always been ticket scalping. Back in the day people waited over night in line for tickets. These days you can always get tickets to any event you want to go to by paying the going price. That is awesome. I remember in 1986 I was in DC and I couldn't get anyone to sell me tickets to the Smiths for less than 35 dollars which was too steep for me. I guess now I wish I did so I could be the prick who said I saw the Smiths and you did not. But the scalpers gave me that choice.
Can you all make a scalping thread? If someone wanted to comment on something that was just announced, their post would get lost among the five pages of scalping talk.
azaghal1981 wrote:Nice! I dont think I can go though, since we are going to Chelsea Light Moving the day before, and I am going to Future Islands that weekend…killsaly wrote:azaghal1981 wrote:Is that the Cigarette house?
Foul Swoops
Teen Liver
Expert Alterations
Paper Sun
11/15
Wow it's like mini-popfest!
One of them lives there. He is also 1/3 of Teen Liver.
killsaly wrote:I can't imagine anyone caring about anything more than my winsome stories of Eggplant Parmesan.
Can you all make a scalping thread? If someone wanted to comment on something that was just announced, their post would get lost among the five pages of scalping talk.
atomic wrote:
What about the business that keeps their supply of beer low so that people will pay outrageous prices for it and drive accross the country for it?
O.K. When did we start talking about "Smokey and the Bandit?"
Brian
grateful wrote:hutch wrote:
and thats the thing..its all about the benjamins.. if i got them good for me and if you don't you suck
when you extend that logic to everything.. it really is a social darwinist jungle and why don't you sign up for the tea party rally while you're at it
times changed… for a long time concerts where a communal shared experience.. the idea of charging someone more money than you yourself paid, for decades, would have been laughed at.. the idea of buying tickets for a concert you had no intention of every going to would have not ocurred to you… i'm' sure maybe in NYC the ticket reselling business got an early start though…but in the main since the idea was that together you were experiencining something and that sharing in that experience was a part of that very experience why would you screw over the person you were sharing in that experience with?.. heck the bands wouldn't realy charge you all that much either because they shared in that experience with you
now its hard to relate that.. concerts are a big business..its a jungle out there and if you have to screw someone else to make a living hey its no different than your day job, right?
i think some of the comments on this thread illustrate just how much the shared cultural mindset has changed…. if you'd said some of the things people are writing on this thread thirty years ago you'd have been laughed at and considered a prick…
and when you look at a picasso you don't interact with the picasso or the people around you looking at the picasso which is why that is a terrible example…
now we can say that because people in general felt that way before doesn't mean they are any better than people today who think scalping is fine and in fact what should be frowned on are people who are against it… but i think we can also say that something was probably lost along the way…
FWIW, This is a great book on the subject:
http://www.seattlepi.com/lifestyle/blogcritics/article/Book-Review-Ticket-Masters-The-Rise-Of-The-1417702.php
thanks. i'll check it out.
walkonby wrote:
ok, i just read it . . . besides the chicken parm talk, simply because i am hungry right now, i fully believe in reselling tickets, reselling anything, making money, making all the money, making fuck you money, making whore money. you know what else i believe in? not giving a shit what other people think about me.
ok gordon gecko
DotTheEyes wrote:
Could Cave headline Merriweather?
i doubt it. i don't think he has enough pull to fill the pavilion let alone sell any lawn tickets. he sold well at strathmore, but that's easier to get to and holds less than 2,000. moving a venue ten times bigger and harder to get to seems like an iffy proposal. mind you, i have no idea what the break-even point is for MMP. maybe selling 3,000 or 4,000 tickets is enough to make a show viable.
maybe if he co-headlined with someone that also has decent pull.
sweetcell wrote:DotTheEyes wrote:
Could Cave headline Merriweather?
i doubt it. i don't think he has enough pull to fill the pavilion let alone sell any lawn tickets. he sold well at strathmore, but that's easier to get to and holds less than 2,000. moving a venue ten times bigger and harder to get to seems like an iffy proposal. mind you, i have no idea what the break-even point is for MMP. maybe selling 3,000 or 4,000 tickets is enough to make a show viable.
maybe if he co-headlined with someone that also has decent pull.
^what I think
I will only add that for the Strathmore show there were tickets being unloaded CHEAP on stubhub the day of show…
sweetcell wrote:DotTheEyes wrote:
Could Cave headline Merriweather?
i doubt it. i don't think he has enough pull to fill the pavilion let alone sell any lawn tickets. he sold well at strathmore, but that's easier to get to and holds less than 2,000. moving a venue ten times bigger and harder to get to seems like an iffy proposal. mind you, i have no idea what the break-even point is for MMP. maybe selling 3,000 or 4,000 tickets is enough to make a show viable.
maybe if he co-headlined with someone that also has decent pull.
MPP is easier to get to for probably most people in the area. I think acts generally sell more tickets at MPP than if they play at other venues.
atomic wrote:MPP is easier to get to for probably most people in the area.
MPP is the most horribly located venue only second to the Lube
Sidehatch wrote:atomic wrote:MPP is easier to get to for probably most people in the area.
MPP is the most horribly located venue only second to the Lube
No compairison between the two. MPP is perfectly located. It is between Washington and Baltimore. That is why it does so well.
Clearly if Nick Cave is going to headline MPP, he needs to get one of his songs played on American Idol like Leonard Cohen did.
James wrote:
Clearly if Nick Cave is going to headline MPP, he needs to get one of his songs played on American Idol like Leonard Cohen did.
Why all this obsesssion with Nick Cave. He was good 20 years ago but no one cares about him anymore.
because he moans and droans on. people like that. just ask morrissey and tom waits.
walkonby wrote:
because he moans and droans on. people like that. just ask morrisey and tom waits.
Oh my god don't get me started on Morrissey. People Arcade Fire and Yeah Yeah Yeahs exist. You don't need to live in the past.