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We have things called eating disorders – anorexia or bulimia for example. We see people who have those and we understand they have an inappropriate relationship with food. And we acknowledge that as a society. We do not downplay the dangers of anoerxia because it might hurt someone's feelings.

But anorexia nad bulimia affect less than 1% of the population. Meanwhile, morbid obesity is the epidemic of our era. It's an eating disorder. The fat have an inappropriate relationship with food. They are mentally ill the same way a bulimic or a heroin addict is. But we can't say that because "feelings." We should push back against that. CPS should take the children of the morbidly obese away. Insurances should cover food-rehab treatments. But we've passed a weird tipping point where so many people are fat we can't call a spade a spade. Want to legalize heroin? Just get 30% of the population to do it. Ira Glass will show up and tell everyone you're Heroin-sexual.

Julian, wrote:
We really need to take the vote away from people with a BMI over 25.

Julian, wrote:
I think the morbidly obese, by their logic-defying decisions, display a functional lack of intelligence and should not be allowed to vote, own guns, raise children, etc. They are literally no different than a heroin addict.

morbidly obese is defined as over 40, not 25.

heroin addicts are allowed to vote.

we are not logical animals.  we make plenty of logic-defying decisions everyday.  using that as a barometer for taking away the vote would result in no one being able to voting.

you are just as hateful as donald trump.  congrats.

sweetcell wrote:
heroin addicts are allowed to vote.

People who have been convicted of a crime have their right to vote taken away in many states. If we're going to take away people's right to vote for weed, we certainly should do it for butter huffers as they are a much larger (no pun intended) social harm.

butter huffers?

I worry that 1200 calories might not be enough..for anybody…

hutch wrote:
I worry that 1200 calories might not be enough..for anybody…

But it is. This isn't a controversial opinion, it's science. If someone's TDEE is 1200 calories than eating 1200 calories will not cause weight fluctuation. Eating 1100 will cause them to lose weight; 1300 will cause them to gain weight.

The idea that someone has a medical problem that makes them unable to lower their weight by eating less is pure fiction. Its a fiction invented to remove responsibility from hambeasts.

Julian, wrote:

sweetcell wrote:
heroin addicts are allowed to vote.

People who have been convicted of a crime have their right to vote taken away in many states.

the vast majority of heroin addicts are not convicts.

your ability to construct a coherent argument in support your hatred is about as good as my ability to notice that someone has already posted something ;D

sweetcell wrote:
the vast majority of heroin addicts are not convicts.

OK, if I wasn't clear on this point: I think we should have due process to confirm the fattie is fat BEFORE we take away their vote, someone shouldn't just randomly yell "FAT!" and point and that person doesn't get to vote that year as a result.

you know I love you.  you know I wanted you back.  but, I can not tell a lie . . . I really enjoyed the break from your non stop fat talk.  you are never going to change anything in reality or what anybody does.  no one cares what you think.  no one cares what anybody thinks. 

so, stop.  stop trying to change humanity.  you are not god; you are not iron man.

walk,on,by wrote:
you are never going to change anything in reality or what anybody does.  no one cares what you think.  no one cares what anybody thinks. 

Um, so messageboard over then?

my iron man line . . . still makes me giggle.

walk,on,by wrote:
you know I love you.  you know I wanted you back.  but, I can not tell a lie . . . I really enjoyed the break from your non stop fat talk.  you are never going to change anything in reality or what anybody does.  no one cares what you think.  no one cares what anybody thinks. 

so, stop.  stop trying to change humanity.  you are not god; you are not iron man.

See, that's what people tell me all the time since I'm a vegan [it's been 8 minutes, give me a break]. The problem is, 1 person CAN make a difference. I'm a firm believer in having to get a license or something to have a kid. Too many idiots are having kids and raising more stupid idiots to have more stupid idiot kids. This is leading to massive overpopulation and if we can try to help out fellow human beings and really the frickin planet we're living on, then why not?

This country already coddles way too many frickin people and with the internet reaching every corner of the planet stupidity is spreading faster than any other disease.

  One of the problems with obesity is that we live in a country (I can only speak for this one) that fetishises
eating the fattiest, butteriest, richest dougnuttiest foodstuffs. We treat it like those are the only food pleasures and that lettuce and fruit and water is garbage.
We also woefully under educate people on what proper diet is (I get it it should be self explanatory).
Example: my co-worker is currently on a ketogenic diet (of which I am a proponent) and I had to explain multiple times as to what items he couldn't eat (mainly all the things he usually does).
On the other hand, we celebrate the thin and pretty so if you can't be one (thin & pretty), you might as well have the other (fat and ostensibly happy).
  Finally I think the health services industry also under-serves us in that we get so little time with our doctors (we can't all have on call concierge health professionals, some of us are lucky to get 15 minutes with a NP once a year) that the best (most) they can (are willing to) do is tell us "you're fat" and then it's "see you in 12 months". I don't think people even know what 1200 calories looks like. 

evilizac wrote:
   One of the problems with obesity is that we live in a country (I can only speak for this one) that fetishises
eating the fattiest, butteriest, richest dougnuttiest foodstuffs. We treat it like those are the only food pleasures and that lettuce and fruit and water is garbage.
We also woefully under educate people on what proper diet is (I get it it should be self explanatory).
Example: my co-worker is currently on a ketogenic diet (of which I am a proponent) and I had to explain multiple times as to what items he couldn't eat (mainly all the things he usually does).
On the other hand, we celebrate the thin and pretty so if you can't be one (thin & pretty), you might as well have the other (fat and ostensibly happy).
   Finally I think the health services industry also under-serves us in that we get so little time with our doctors (we can't all have on call concierge health professionals, some of us are lucky to get 15 minutes with a NP once a year) that the best (most) they can (are willing to) do is tell us "you're fat" and then it's "see you in 12 months". I don't think people even know what 1200 calories looks like. 

I agree with virtually all of that. Your last sentence is also particularly on point. There's this British show called Secret Eaters (available on YouTube) that follows around obese people who claim to not be able to lose weight. One of the aspects of the show is they ask people to track how many calories they think they are consuming and then they compare it after a few days to the actual video record of what they ate. It's always – every single episode – thousands of calories underestimated. Several other research studies have shown the same thing: people with weight issues virtually always chronically underestimate their caloric intake. Someone is not obese on 2000 calories a day (conditions be damned); they're obese on 4000 calories a day that they self-report as 2000 calories a day.

The move to force restaurants to put up calorie readings is a good first step but we do need to do a better job as a society of teaching what 300 calories of meat/carrots/yogurt/almonds/etc looks like.

'Today, chickens are bred to be so large and produce so much meat that their weight can crush their limbs and immobilize them, said Leah Garces, U.S. director for Compassion in World Farming.'

Chickenbeasts!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/28/this-could-be-the-start-to-a-whole-new-world-of-chicken/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news

Another terrorist attack in Turkey, it appears.

I'm just waiting for for a Christian to blow up an abortion clinic. Because, you know, apologists like to reply that Christians carry out terrorist attacks too.

Space wrote:
Another terrorist attack in Turkey, it appears.

I'm just waiting for for a Christian to blow up an abortion clinic. Because, you know, apologists like to reply that Christians carry out terrorist attacks too.

Your point is so irrelevant.. I mean who cares? I accept your point up to a point (I Find people posting memes comparing the KKK to these terrorists ridiculous)..but then it seems like you're extending it to imply that apologists are responsible.. apologists are not carrying out the attacks.. and there are no magic solutions…. your point seems dangerously close to the patently idiotic "we have to call them radical islamic jihadists" of the republicans.. who cares what we call it? its terrorism..

The issue is how do you stop it…

Also lets keep in mind that this is in Turkey….a country that has not come even close to being helpful in the fight against terrorism….lets not even talk about the Kurds…. the context in the Middle East is very complicated… Turkey has done some very unsavory things I'm sure… nobody's hands are entirely clean even if it may appear to be a simple case of "the evil muslims" or even "ISIS"…  you have the whole Sunni (Saudi etc) vs Shiite (Iran) playin' out… there are no "good guys" that we can just easily pick sides… the weapons you give to the "rebels" on your side , you think, one day.. end up in the hands of the terrorists the next..


now if it makes you feel good to say some muslims are killing innocent people then that's great but you're just kind of stating the obvious… if you want to extend it to "there is something wrong with the muslim faith"… well, I'm afraid you'd lose me there but I am willing to concede there are quite a few people who profess faith in Islam that seem to have it in for our way of life…… so what? that is like saying the sun comes up tomorrow…. what do you propose we actually DO? THAT is the real issue….

hutch wrote:

Space wrote:
Another terrorist attack in Turkey, it appears.

I'm just waiting for for a Christian to blow up an abortion clinic. Because, you know, apologists like to reply that Christians carry out terrorist attacks too.

Your point is so irrelevant.. I mean who cares? I accept your point up to a point (I Find people posting memes comparing the KKK to these terrorists ridiculous)..but then it seems like you're extending it to imply that apologists are responsible.. apologists are not carrying out the attacks.. and there are no magic solutions…. your point seems dangerously close to the patently idiotic "we have to call them radical islamic jihadists" of the republicans.. who cares what we call it? its terrorism..

The issue is how do you stop it…

Also lets keep in mind that this is in Turkey….a country that has not come even close to being helpful in the fight against terrorism….lets not even talk about the Kurds…. the context in the Middle East is very complicated… Turkey has done some very unsavory things I'm sure… nobody's hands are entirely clean even if it may appear to be a simple case of "the evil muslims" or even "ISIS"…  you have the whole Sunni (Saudi etc) vs Shiite (Iran) playin' out… there are no "good guys" that we can just easily pick sides… the weapons you give to the "rebels" on your side , you think, one day.. end up in the hands of the terrorists the next..


now if it makes you feel good to say some muslims are killing innocent people then that's great but you're just kind of stating the obvious… if you want to extend it to "there is something wrong with the muslim faith"… well, I'm afraid you'd lose me there but I am willing to concede there are quite a few people who profess faith in Islam that seem to have it in for our way of life…… so what? that is like saying the sun comes up tomorrow…. what do you propose we actually DO? THAT is the real issue….

I'm not a Muslim, I don't think there's much I can do about it. If there is, let me know.

Space wrote:

hutch wrote:

Space wrote:
Another terrorist attack in Turkey, it appears.

I'm just waiting for for a Christian to blow up an abortion clinic. Because, you know, apologists like to reply that Christians carry out terrorist attacks too.

Your point is so irrelevant.. I mean who cares? I accept your point up to a point (I Find people posting memes comparing the KKK to these terrorists ridiculous)..but then it seems like you're extending it to imply that apologists are responsible.. apologists are not carrying out the attacks.. and there are no magic solutions…. your point seems dangerously close to the patently idiotic "we have to call them radical islamic jihadists" of the republicans.. who cares what we call it? its terrorism..

The issue is how do you stop it…

Also lets keep in mind that this is in Turkey….a country that has not come even close to being helpful in the fight against terrorism….lets not even talk about the Kurds…. the context in the Middle East is very complicated… Turkey has done some very unsavory things I'm sure… nobody's hands are entirely clean even if it may appear to be a simple case of "the evil muslims" or even "ISIS"…  you have the whole Sunni (Saudi etc) vs Shiite (Iran) playin' out… there are no "good guys" that we can just easily pick sides… the weapons you give to the "rebels" on your side , you think, one day.. end up in the hands of the terrorists the next..


now if it makes you feel good to say some muslims are killing innocent people then that's great but you're just kind of stating the obvious… if you want to extend it to "there is something wrong with the muslim faith"… well, I'm afraid you'd lose me there but I am willing to concede there are quite a few people who profess faith in Islam that seem to have it in for our way of life…… so what? that is like saying the sun comes up tomorrow…. what do you propose we actually DO? THAT is the real issue….

I'm not a Muslim, I don't think there's much I can do about it. If there is, let me know.

so you're just going to whine about how muslims hate us?

You know very well hundreds of millions… actually over a billion muslims are peaceful…

so in the end your point as is what??

A big complaint that some people refuse to say "muslims are the problem"??


I mean WTF Is your point dude? What are you trying to say?  I have some points and ideas I could lay out do you have ANYTHING to contribute other than tarring 1.4 billion people as terrorists?

I never said Muslims were the problem, Islam is the problem. I agree, there are many peaceful Muslims. There are even some that believe in gender equality and gay marriage.

Space wrote:
I never said Muslims were the problem, Islam is the problem. I agree, there are many peaceful Muslims. There are even some that believe in gender equality and gay marriage.

so when you say "Islam is the problem" what do you mean when 1.4 billion Muslims believe in "Islam"?


You're just playing 8th grade semantics or something…

Look dude, if you have a case to make do it.. don't just just play your usual troll on this ok…. this is important… so far you have contributed NOTHING to resolving the problem.. we know there is a problem….. your one line "witty" retorts don't do anything….

You want to declare war on 1.4 billion muslims because they believe in "Islam" and "Islam" is responsible for terrorism (your assertion)

These people are not muslims.. they are terrorists pieces of human excrement…. saying they believe in god and have faith is giving them something they don't deserve and by association including all Muslims in the same bag.. that doesn't mean we can't have a discussion about what Muslims can do as a community to help prevent terrorism, etc….

But again, you propose NOTHING…