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To be clear, by saying they were "less ungood," I was in no way stating that as a fact. It was, simply, my impression as a lay person. It is based on no studies, etc, just simply my impression that few things are as deleterious to ones health as smoking tobacco.

I quite agree with you on the issue of e-cigs, RatBastard.

Here's a fact you can take to the bank:

When vaping liquid is vaporized, the particle size is much smaller than cigarette smoke.  It gets inhaled more deeply and coats the lungs without being metabolized.  Add in peach flavor and a bunch of carcinogens and it sounds like a recipe for disaster.

all of sudden, this jaded person.  why do they seem one of the ancient ones, but has now risen from beneath, to suddenly bring forth the posts in many threads. 

grafulyjaded makes a good point,  a new and the only compelling one I've heard here

So few things
1. 100% with out a doubt I'm certain that using a e-cig/vape pen to get your nicotine fix  is less toxic/caustic than burning vegetable matter that combusts in to tiny little particles that you lung really can't do anything with but let just sit there and collect with the billion other little combusted particles that  sit in the air sacs in your lungs…until they can take no more little particles that don't break down.

2. I'm not a doctor or a shill for the tobacco industry, but my understanding is that nicotine does not cause any type of cancer.  Its addictive and a stimulant, but it doesn't cause lung, lip, tongue esophageal and what ever other type of cancer you get from smoking cigarettes…it's pretty much all the other shit(and the repetition)

3. Cigarette smoke to someone who doesn't smoke is really nauseating, the ashtrays are stinky and the smell in your hair (unfortunately not talking about mine as I have so little) and clothes.  I remember I had this hoodie I'd wear to bedrock billiards.  One night after getting home stuffed it in luggage with other clothes. Two days later I opened it up and the smoke stench was noxious and all of it now smelled like it.


I agree there are no standards or long term studies…that is a big unknown to confidently trust one's health on
those unknowns should make you think hard about something that you do 50-100 times a day!
I think that's the biggest problem with smoking, the repetition. The shear quantity of the one thing you keep doing. If you poked your arm with your index finger in the same place, the same amount of times you took a puff, over the years, I think the likelihood of that one spot getting cancer or something fatal is high.


One outlier is the 3rd party vape…that might actually have some merit if it is proven it is even a little toxic to other people close by. (especially with Jaded's point)
It's one thing to kill yourselves with your vices, I think you are an ass when you take others with it.

fas,cinating

Sidehatch wrote:
2. I'm not a doctor or a shill for the tobacco industry, but my understanding is that nicotine does not cause any type of cancer.  Its addictive and a stimulant, but it doesn't cause lung, lip, tongue esophageal and what ever other type of cancer you get from smoking cigarettes…it's pretty much all the other shit(and the repetition)

As I was alluding to earlier, my dad was an engineer in R&D for PMUSA for many many years.  Nicotine in a  liquid state (which is used in several ecig products) is and extremely nasty substance.  I would highly doubt that any company would require its employees to wear full hazmat suits when handling a substance that does not come with some pretty serious health impacts.  Liquid nicotine is not something to be fucked with at all.

walk,on,by wrote:
fas,cinating

Hey man check your email!

^ lol

To whomever it is on here that is a web developer and codes (flat) sites designed towards handheld devices I have a question.  In making a graphic that will be a touch control, what would you suggest the minimum size to use in order to make it usable.  Also, in developing such a page, do you normally set a wrapper div with a specific width to hold all of the content?  If so is there a convention as to what size should be set?

Thanks!

beets wrote:
This is how you troll back

Melgaard was much better, but that's not bad.

this is for person who is going to pay $2mill for a penthouse condo across the street from the 9:30

i think, when it comes to location, people in dc, don,t care that their very nice property is located across from anything.  as long, as they don,t get shot or stabbed, it,s all good.  does, that still make norman a dickhead . . . yes, yes it does.

RatBastard wrote:

Sidehatch wrote:
2. I'm not a doctor or a shill for the tobacco industry, but my understanding is that nicotine does not cause any type of cancer.  Its addictive and a stimulant, but it doesn't cause lung, lip, tongue esophageal and what ever other type of cancer you get from smoking cigarettes…it's pretty much all the other shit(and the repetition)

As I was alluding to earlier, my dad was an engineer in R&D for PMUSA for many many years.  Nicotine in a  liquid state (which is used in several ecig products) is and extremely nasty substance.  I would highly doubt that any company would require its employees to wear full hazmat suits when handling a substance that does not come with some pretty serious health impacts.  Liquid nicotine is not something to be fucked with at all.

Vapes = mouth fedoras <- that has been my favorite insult on people. It's so dumb. My buddy said "It help me quit." and I said "You're probably melting your lungs anyway." and he argued back saying "It's JUST VAPOR how can that be bad for me?" to which I responded "Literally putting anything more than oxygen in your lungs is bad for your lungs." to which he just scoffed and rolled his eyes.

Personally, I prefer an e cig to a big stupid looking vape. I quit smoking about 2 years ago and rarely when I get drunk do I ask a friend for their e cig. I think they're just as nasty as cigarettes, but you know what they say, no one ever really "quits". Heh. Either way, I try to deter my friends from using vapes as alternatives because like everyone has said in here, we really don't know what they are doing to your body. WHEN the hell did vape snobbery become a thing. There are SO many vape stores now. It's insane how quickly it's taken off.

DeathFromAbove1979 wrote:
Personally, I prefer an e cig to a big stupid looking vape.

What's the difference? I'm asking seriously; I have been using the two terms interchangeably.

Julian, wrote:

DeathFromAbove1979 wrote:
Personally, I prefer an e cig to a big stupid looking vape.

What&#039;s the difference? I&#039;m asking seriously; I have been using the two terms interchangeably.

An E-cig looks like a cigarette; a vape looks like a lightsaber.

E-Cig

or



Vape

or

Ahmad on a roll on twater

‏@ahmadmzaghal  · 15m15 minutes ago 
?You guys really should become a democracy. Don?t mind us while we force food up people?s asses in your backyard, though.?








7:57 AM - 14 Aug 2015 · Details

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jaded wrote:
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what's with the ladder to nowhere?

check out this guys yard art
Look for the giant arachnid and the door to nowhere

DC is going to tax the crap out of vape's
expect the boom in shops to bust soon if this passes (although most will just go across the district line to purchase)


also note what is said in this article
According to Executive Director and Medical Director of the American Council on Science and Health Dr. Gilbert Ross,  "E-cigs are about 95 percent (or more) less harmful than cigarettes."