James Ford
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Re: The Beer Thread
May 06, 2013 at 03:24 PM UTC
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Do they think their target audience would buy much lager if they were to make it?
atomicfront wrote:
Oh one more thing. On my tour of the brewery at EVO I asked them why they didn't do Lagers (as I saw they had cooling equipment) and he said they take too long to ferment and condition that it ties up their equipment. He said it takes more than twice as long to make a lager.
sweetcell
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Re: The Beer Thread
May 06, 2013 at 03:47 PM UTC
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atomicfront wrote:
Oh one more thing. On my tour of the brewery at EVO I asked them why they didn't do Lagers (as I saw they had cooling equipment) and he said they take too long to ferment and condition that it ties up their equipment. He said it takes more than twice as long to make a lager.
yeah, i should have been more precise about what i wrote previously about lagers. you need to cool ales too when you make them, you just need to cool them less (ales ferment in 60's and 70's, lagers are down in the 40's and 50's). and as the EVO tour pointed out, you need to cool them longer after fermentation. lager are held at near freezing for several weeks while they condition, solids fall out of suspension, higher alcohols break down, the yeast flocculates, blah blah. so in the time you can make one batch of lager, you could make 2 or 3 batches of ale. you could serve a lager without lagering it… but it wouldn't taste like a lager.
James Ford
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Re: The Beer Thread
May 06, 2013 at 04:11 PM UTC
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Flying Dog is the 40th largest brewer in America.
http://www.brewersassociation.org/pages/media/press-releases/show?title=brewers-association-releases-top-50-breweries-of-2012Evolution is a small batch brewer who creates a fraction of the beer that Flying Dog makes.
Not really comparable.
atomicfront wrote:
James wrote:
Do they think their target audience would buy much lager if they were to make it?
atomicfront wrote:
Oh one more thing. On my tour of the brewery at EVO I asked them why they didn't do Lagers (as I saw they had cooling equipment) and he said they take too long to ferment and condition that it ties up their equipment. He said it takes more than twice as long to make a lager.
Why not? Flying Dog makes 2 lagers. I asked the guy why and he told me. Makes sense. If you can sell all the beer you make why would you intentionally make less of it?
I will tour the Flying Dog plant in July I will ask them about how their lagers are selling.
Oh I also had a Dos Equis lager yesterday. It was actually pretty good.
James Ford
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Re: The Beer Thread
May 06, 2013 at 04:38 PM UTC
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2010 is a long time ago, but back then #40 put you somewhere in the 30K-75K barrel range and #10 put you in the 100K-150K range.
http://beerpulse.com/2011/04/the-top-50-breweries-of-2010/atomicfront wrote:
James wrote:
Flying Dog is the 40th largest brewer in America. http://www.brewersassociation.org/pages/media/press-releases/show?title=brewers-association-releases-top-50-breweries-of-2012
Evolution is a small batch brewer who creates a fraction of the beer that Flying Dog makes.
Not really comparable.
atomicfront wrote:
James wrote:
Do they think their target audience would buy much lager if they were to make it?
atomicfront wrote:
Oh one more thing. On my tour of the brewery at EVO I asked them why they didn't do Lagers (as I saw they had cooling equipment) and he said they take too long to ferment and condition that it ties up their equipment. He said it takes more than twice as long to make a lager.
Why not? Flying Dog makes 2 lagers. I asked the guy why and he told me. Makes sense. If you can sell all the beer you make why would you intentionally make less of it?
I will tour the Flying Dog plant in July I will ask them about how their lagers are selling.
Oh I also had a Dos Equis lager yesterday. It was actually pretty good.
What I find interesting is that there are only 3 breweries that aren't craft breweries. Pabst doesn't brew beer so I don't know why they are on that list. A couple of years ago when I toured Dogfish Head they said Sam Adams got the craft definition raised so they could still be a craft brewery. 6 million barrels is a ton of beer. Comical that they are considered a craft brewery.
I assume there is a huge difference between being 40th largest brewery and 10th.
James Ford
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Re: The Beer Thread
May 06, 2013 at 04:48 PM UTC
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There beers are all pretty decent. Where as I think Flying Dog is more hit or miss.I agree.
atomicfront wrote:
So I think EVO said they are doing 12000 barrels a year. Anyway they are new and I am sure they will grow. There beers are all pretty decent. Where as I think Flying Dog is more hit or miss.
sweetcell
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Re: The Beer Thread
May 06, 2013 at 05:51 PM UTC
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stevewizzle wrote:
atomicfront wrote:
stevewizzle wrote:
atomicfront wrote:
Then I went to Dogfish Head brew put and had the following brews:
Dogfish Head
Ancient Ale: Nordicthern Europe = F
Brewed for Naught = D
this nordicthern beer is the classic making of a gruit ale. i'm excited to try this.
I couldn't finish it. I like most dogfish head stuff but it was absolutely horrible.
so it goes with gruit ales. right now, it's more of a novelty than it is a worthwhile beer, i imagine. but the idea is it uses only herbs to achieve its flavor profile, and some of the herbs are straight out bizarre (bog myrtle, yarrow). they are extremely inebriating and slightly hallucinogenic in moderate consumption.
for me, gruit falls into the same bucket as the Reinheitsgebot: it's a product of a certain time in history, but we've moved on from that.
nothing wrong with wanting to dabble in the roots of brewing and rediscovering old recipes, but i suspect there is a simple reason why we now hops instead of bog myrtle: hops taste better.
maybe gruits aren't particularly good at the moment because it's an emerging style, people haven't found the right combos, etc. i'm willing to bet that someone will come up with something tasty, i just haven't come across it yet.
another factor is that our palettes aren't used to the taste of gruit. it challenges our conception of what a beer should taste like (as in, "i don't want my beer to taste like pine bark and burnt peanuts").
stevewizzle
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Re: The Beer Thread
May 07, 2013 at 02:53 AM UTC
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speak for yourself i love pine bark.
jaguar
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Re: The Beer Thread
May 07, 2013 at 07:33 AM UTC
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BrettnotBritt wrote:
Cracked open a Southern Tier Creme Brulee last night that I aged for a little over a year. The vanilla was incredibly overpowering, especially aroma-wise while I was drinking it out of a snifter. Was not a big fan suffice to say.
This is exactly what I said about this stuff awhile ago and got torn a new one over it. It's the flavorings that are too intense and over-done to the point of ruining that beer, and I usually love vanilla and caramel flavorings. Not so with this stuff.
James Ford
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Re: The Beer Thread
May 07, 2013 at 12:09 PM UTC
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If y'all are looking for the best vanilla flavored porter that goes great with bbq tempeh tacos AND German chocolate birthday cake, this is what you need to get. Heavenly.
James Ford
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Re: The Beer Thread
May 07, 2013 at 01:17 PM UTC
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Darth Ed, tearing Jaguar a new one:
Quote from: Darth Ed on December 04, 2012, 01:15:34 PM
Southern Tier's Creme Brulee Stout is released in June, according to their website. if you bought it in the winter, i suspect it was sitting on the shelf for a long time. Also, I've had it both ways, and it tastes far better on draft in my experience. It's supposedly flavored with real creme brulee, but I do wonder how that is possible. The flavor is very intense, and it certainly may not be for everyone.
Yada
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Re: The Beer Thread
May 07, 2013 at 01:34 PM UTC
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James wrote:
If y'all are looking for the best vanilla flavored porter that goes great with bbq tempeh tacos AND German chocolate birthday cake, this is what you need to get. Heavenly.
That's a ruined computer waiting to happen!
jaguar
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Re: The Beer Thread
May 07, 2013 at 02:05 PM UTC
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James, there were other postings in there where others refused to accept what I said and made assumptions based on who wrote it, not what was said. So typical. Mine was the same age as BrettnotBritt's. It did not have a spoiled taste which even I recognize, especially when it comes to vanilla and caramel. There was too much flavoring added. Granted, it may very likely taste better on tap but in a bottle, which is what I had, it was horribly over-flavored. Even others agree with me as you see above but I guess you would prefer to ignore that. I love vanilla Coke but I wouldn't want that much added to my cola either. There is a big difference between the taste of spoilage as opposed to level of ingredients.
On another note, thanks for the suggestion of the vanilla porter. If I see it somewhere, I'll try it. I've been drinking the Leinenkugel Vanilla Porter when I go up to Seacrets for their half-priced entrees. (Their Catch of the Day is usually very good!) That's about the best you can get there regardless of personal tastes. Their beer selection is horrible and believe me, all of us would agree with that. Mostly low end crap. Leinenkugel and Blue Moon are about the best they offer and just maybe something from a localish brewer. Or maybe that crap Flat Tire. Don't remember exactly what all they offer. I can't remember. I go for the food. The Leinenkugel isn't really all that great but once you've had a few sips, it's not all that bad either. Let's call it 'acceptable' for my taste and not all that over-priced. They do use the perfect level of vanilla flavorings. It's just the beer itself that could use some improvement.