I had Kloster Andech Helles last night. I wasn't impressed. Tasted like an American Light beer.
The Beer Thread
sweetcell wrote:
The State of American Beer
What's rising, what's fading, and what people are really drinking
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/04/the-state-of-american-beer/360583/
summary: Big Beer is on the decline but still represents 90% of the market; craft beer is rising quickly but represents a small portion of the total.
i'm gonna go ahead and share this link along with the above report: http://www.beervanabuzz.com/2014/04/anheuser-buschs-latest-counteroffensive.html?m=1
i'm thinking there's some conclusions we can draw from these two reports.
stevewizzle wrote:sweetcell wrote:
The State of American Beer
What's rising, what's fading, and what people are really drinking
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/04/the-state-of-american-beer/360583/
summary: Big Beer is on the decline but still represents 90% of the market; craft beer is rising quickly but represents a small portion of the total.
i'm gonna go ahead and share this link along with the above report: http://www.beervanabuzz.com/2014/04/anheuser-buschs-latest-counteroffensive.html?m=1
i'm thinking there's some conclusions we can draw from these two reports.
Goose Island is pretty good beer. Nothing wrong with cheaper prices. It isn't going to get me to stop drinking Union Craft or German, Austrian, and Belgian brews but if all they have is generic beers at a bar I would rather get Goose Island for 3 bucks than a Coors Light. There is certainly no shortage of craft brews. I don't see how this is going to effect craft brewers but a certain point the market will be saturated with the craft breweries and the fad will end.
atomic wrote:stevewizzle wrote:sweetcell wrote:
The State of American Beer
What's rising, what's fading, and what people are really drinking
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/04/the-state-of-american-beer/360583/
summary: Big Beer is on the decline but still represents 90% of the market; craft beer is rising quickly but represents a small portion of the total.
i'm gonna go ahead and share this link along with the above report: http://www.beervanabuzz.com/2014/04/anheuser-buschs-latest-counteroffensive.html?m=1
i'm thinking there's some conclusions we can draw from these two reports.
Goose Island is pretty good beer. Nothing wrong with cheaper prices. It isn't going to get me to stop drinking Union Craft or German, Austrian, and Belgian brews but if all they have is generic beers at a bar I would rather get Goose Island for 3 bucks than a Coors Light. There is certainly no shortage of craft brews. I don't see how this is going to effect craft brewers but a certain point the market will be saturated with the craft breweries and the fad will end.
No… the good ones will survive, the mediocre ones like Goose Island that are purchased by large corporate breweries will survive, and the crappy ones will disappear. The fad won't end though.
Yada wrote:atomic wrote:stevewizzle wrote:sweetcell wrote:
The State of American Beer
What's rising, what's fading, and what people are really drinking
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/04/the-state-of-american-beer/360583/
summary: Big Beer is on the decline but still represents 90% of the market; craft beer is rising quickly but represents a small portion of the total.
i'm gonna go ahead and share this link along with the above report: http://www.beervanabuzz.com/2014/04/anheuser-buschs-latest-counteroffensive.html?m=1
i'm thinking there's some conclusions we can draw from these two reports.
Goose Island is pretty good beer. Nothing wrong with cheaper prices. It isn't going to get me to stop drinking Union Craft or German, Austrian, and Belgian brews but if all they have is generic beers at a bar I would rather get Goose Island for 3 bucks than a Coors Light. There is certainly no shortage of craft brews. I don't see how this is going to effect craft brewers but a certain point the market will be saturated with the craft breweries and the fad will end.
No… the good ones will survive, the mediocre ones like Goose Island that are purchased by large corporate breweries will survive, and the crappy ones will disappear. The fad won't end though.
Sure it will. You can tell as IPA's are so much more popular than everything else combined. It isn't like people are actually changing and liking new things. They have gone from one extreme to the other. I doubt it will be the best beer that will survive. More the best marketing and management that will survive. Unless people start exclusively drinking local beers than it will collapse.
Got that Stochastic Grapefruit thing waiting in the fridge…
Yada wrote:atomic wrote:
Goose Island is pretty good beer. Nothing wrong with cheaper prices. It isn't going to get me to stop drinking Union Craft or German, Austrian, and Belgian brews but if all they have is generic beers at a bar I would rather get Goose Island for 3 bucks than a Coors Light. There is certainly no shortage of craft brews. I don't see how this is going to effect craft brewers but a certain point the market will be saturated with the craft breweries and the fad will end.
No… the good ones will survive, the mediocre ones like Goose Island that are purchased by large corporate breweries will survive, and the crappy ones will disappear. The fad won't end though.
this is all true. i imagine the low prices won't be sustainable, but that's where the atlantic article gets interesting… domestic beers case sale decline doesn't necessarily correlate 1:1 with dollar sales decline. so domestic beer is becoming more profitable, and these same companies can probably subsidize some craft brew brands they own for the time being so they maintain most of the taps in bars.
atomic wrote:
Sure it will. You can tell as IPA's are so much more popular than everything else combined. It isn't like people are actually changing and liking new things. They have gone from one extreme to the other. I doubt it will be the best beer that will survive. More the best marketing and management that will survive. Unless people start exclusively drinking local beers than it will collapse.
not to turn this into another "you have shit taste" discussions, but i really have to just write off your opinion on IPAs and assume that you've just never had a good one. and that makes sense… there's, oh, i don't know, a handful of good IPAs available year-round in the DC/Baltimore area, and unless you have it fresh, on draft, and from a clean tap, it's not going to leave much of an impression on you. IPA will forever be my go-to, because when they are good, they're fucking great.
grateful wrote:
Got that Stochastic Grapefruit thing waiting in the fridge…
why aren't you drinking this now?
Chardonnay Night in Richmond, boys!!!!
stevewizzle wrote:grateful wrote:
Got that Stochastic Grapefruit thing waiting in the fridge…
why aren't you drinking this now?
I'm not home yet!
stevewizzle wrote:Yada wrote:atomic wrote:
Goose Island is pretty good beer. Nothing wrong with cheaper prices. It isn't going to get me to stop drinking Union Craft or German, Austrian, and Belgian brews but if all they have is generic beers at a bar I would rather get Goose Island for 3 bucks than a Coors Light. There is certainly no shortage of craft brews. I don't see how this is going to effect craft brewers but a certain point the market will be saturated with the craft breweries and the fad will end.
No… the good ones will survive, the mediocre ones like Goose Island that are purchased by large corporate breweries will survive, and the crappy ones will disappear. The fad won't end though.
this is all true. i imagine the low prices won't be sustainable, but that's where the atlantic article gets interesting… domestic beers case sale decline doesn't necessarily correlate 1:1 with dollar sales decline. so domestic beer is becoming more profitable, and these same companies can probably subsidize some craft brew brands they own for the time being so they maintain most of the taps in bars.atomic wrote:
Sure it will. You can tell as IPA's are so much more popular than everything else combined. It isn't like people are actually changing and liking new things. They have gone from one extreme to the other. I doubt it will be the best beer that will survive. More the best marketing and management that will survive. Unless people start exclusively drinking local beers than it will collapse.
not to turn this into another "you have shit taste" discussions, but i really have to just write off your opinion on IPAs and assume that you've just never had a good one. and that makes sense… there's, oh, i don't know, a handful of good IPAs available year-round in the DC/Baltimore area, and unless you have it fresh, on draft, and from a clean tap, it's not going to leave much of an impression on you. IPA will forever be my go-to, because when they are good, they're fucking great.grateful wrote:
Got that Stochastic Grapefruit thing waiting in the fridge…
why aren't you drinking this now?
This doesn't even have anything to do with my opinion on the quality of IPA's. It is just easy to see it is fad. People have gone from an extreme of barely any hop flavor to being hit over the head with hops. I like some IPAs. But I wouldn't' want to just drink Dunkels the rest of my life either or Beligian Blondes. Or even Heifweizens. If people really were getting into tastes of beer they would be trying everything instead of just drinking one style of beer.
atomic wrote:stevewizzle wrote:Yada wrote:atomic wrote:
Goose Island is pretty good beer. Nothing wrong with cheaper prices. It isn't going to get me to stop drinking Union Craft or German, Austrian, and Belgian brews but if all they have is generic beers at a bar I would rather get Goose Island for 3 bucks than a Coors Light. There is certainly no shortage of craft brews. I don't see how this is going to effect craft brewers but a certain point the market will be saturated with the craft breweries and the fad will end.
No… the good ones will survive, the mediocre ones like Goose Island that are purchased by large corporate breweries will survive, and the crappy ones will disappear. The fad won't end though.
this is all true. i imagine the low prices won't be sustainable, but that's where the atlantic article gets interesting… domestic beers case sale decline doesn't necessarily correlate 1:1 with dollar sales decline. so domestic beer is becoming more profitable, and these same companies can probably subsidize some craft brew brands they own for the time being so they maintain most of the taps in bars.atomic wrote:
Sure it will. You can tell as IPA's are so much more popular than everything else combined. It isn't like people are actually changing and liking new things. They have gone from one extreme to the other. I doubt it will be the best beer that will survive. More the best marketing and management that will survive. Unless people start exclusively drinking local beers than it will collapse.
not to turn this into another "you have shit taste" discussions, but i really have to just write off your opinion on IPAs and assume that you've just never had a good one. and that makes sense… there's, oh, i don't know, a handful of good IPAs available year-round in the DC/Baltimore area, and unless you have it fresh, on draft, and from a clean tap, it's not going to leave much of an impression on you. IPA will forever be my go-to, because when they are good, they're fucking great.grateful wrote:
Got that Stochastic Grapefruit thing waiting in the fridge…
why aren't you drinking this now?
This doesn't even have anything to do with my opinion on the quality of IPA's. It is just easy to see it is fad. People have gone from an extreme of barely any hop flavor to being hit over the head with hops. I like some IPAs. But I wouldn't' want to just drink Dunkels the rest of my life either or Beligian Blondes. Or even Heifweizens. If people really were getting into tastes of beer they would be trying everything instead of just drinking one style of beer.
but IPAs have everything to do with why you think craft beer is a fad.
IPAs are somewhat of a gateway to craft beer… for a lot of people, i imagine it introduces flavors they didn't know existed.
so not only is it not a fad, once more people realize how great a fresh IPA can taste, they'll be seeking out more local, fresh beers. i don't think we'll consider the market saturated for a long, long time.
speaking of IPAs… i just got a sad phone call from the guys over at yakima valley hops, who informed me that my order of a fuckton of citra hops and hopshots was mixed up and sent to the wrong person. and presumably, i'm going to get some clowns order of a bunch pussy hops like williamette and fugles. was hoping to get all my hops so i could brew an all citra IPA this weekend.
i'll be reading this on the ride home tonight:
The Misconceptions and Misinformation Surrounding Limited Release Craft Beers
http://emptygrowler.com/2014/04/limited-releases/
commentary for beer geeks on the above article:
http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/the-misconceptions-and-misinformation-surrounding-limited-release-craft-beers.170743/
i (and possibly only i) feel your pain.
The Misconceptions and Misinformation Surrounding Limited Release Craft Beers
http://emptygrowler.com/2014/04/limited-releases/
commentary for beer geeks on the above article:
http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/the-misconceptions-and-misinformation-surrounding-limited-release-craft-beers.170743/
stevewizzle wrote:
speaking of IPAs… i just got a sad phone call from the guys over at yakima valley hops, who informed me that my order of a fuckton of citra hops and hopshots was mixed up and sent to the wrong person. and presumably, i'm going to get some clowns order of a bunch pussy hops like williamette and fugles. was hoping to get all my hops so i could brew an all citra IPA this weekend.
i (and possibly only i) feel your pain.
Best live music venue to find KBS on the beer cooler:
IOTA
No idea what they are selling it for.
IOTA
No idea what they are selling it for.
James wrote:
Best live music venue to find KBS on the beer cooler:
IOTA
No idea what they are selling it for.
Why didn't you ask?
James wrote:
Best live music venue to find KBS on the beer cooler:
IOTA
No idea what they are selling it for.
I go to Iota for the beer and the Birchmere for the food.
Speaking of Richmond and beer, I'll be at Mekong for lunch and Hardywood for dinner on Friday.
I didn't want to be tempted!
I had a $6 draft of Ten Fidy at Clarendon WF prior to the show, so i had had my fill of imperial stouts.
I had a $6 draft of Ten Fidy at Clarendon WF prior to the show, so i had had my fill of imperial stouts.
Yada wrote:James wrote:
Best live music venue to find KBS on the beer cooler:
IOTA
No idea what they are selling it for.
Why didn't you ask?
James wrote:Hardywood does food?
Speaking of Richmond and beer, I'll be at Mekong for lunch and Hardywood for dinner on Friday.
Food trucks. I'm not a big fan of food trucks, but what the hell. Any word on Boka Taco? Thy are supposed to be there.
Julian, wrote:James wrote:Hardywood does food?
Speaking of Richmond and beer, I'll be at Mekong for lunch and Hardywood for dinner on Friday.