Hey Seth

I agree. They should roll the "fees" into the face value.

Part of these fees go to the concert act and the venue anyways.. they are not kept by the agent providing the "service" so to say the fees are for a service is just a lie. They are not charging $10 on the Breeders for a "service".. they are simply grabbing some extra cash and - likely, I don't know how IMP does its business- giving some to the promoter (IMP) and maybe even some to the act (Breeders).

RatBastard wrote:

atomicfront wrote:

hutch wrote:

sweetcell wrote:

hutch wrote:
oh ok let me drive 70 miles on the frickin' beltway to buy the tickets at MPP and save on charges…

so you're saying that getting tickets in person is a pain?  that's it's a waste of time, and that your time is valuable?  so valuable that you'd be willing to pay to not have to do this, to be able to get tickets from the comfort of your own home?

oh I see..so any fee is ok by this reasoning? heck i guess they could charge $200 if it was a concert on the west coast as its worth $200, right? Otherwise I'd have to buy a plane ticket to fly out there and get them in person

a limited handling/service fee is fine…. a $10 fee on a $25 ticket is not fine even if it is more "convenient" than driving into DC and picking them up in person.

Well final cost of the ticket is what should influence your decision.  25 ticket with 10 dollar of fees is still less than a 40 dollar ticket with no fees.  But when a show is cancelled and they don't give you back the fees that should be illegal.  I think everyone would be happier if they just said tickets were a price and that is what you paid.  All the extra fees pisses people off and I have backed out of ticket purchases because of high fees, convience charges, print at home fees, processing fees.  It is ridiculous and I am sure it hurts the venues.   I am sure everyone would just rather everyone see the price was 35 dollars than see the price is 25 dollars and 10 dollar fees.    The government should start charging the concert industry with a lot of crimes. 

Illegal?  They still performed the service for which the fees were charged.  If you go to a show and drink six drinks before the show starts and then the show gets cancelled because of a power outage (for example), you don't get a refund for the drinks you had.

I actually get the six drinks i would have consumed.  I shouldn't have to pay for a performance that did not occur.  The venue is the one who is using the ticketing agency.  I did not pick them.  If they don't have the performance they need to refund my money.  All of my money.  They are making money off of me.  I will say when I bought tickets at Black Cat for Echo and the Bunnymen and they cancelled they gave me all my money back.  So some venues do give you all your money back and others commit fraud. 

hutch wrote:
I agree. They should roll the "fees" into the face value.

Part of these fees go to the concert act and the venue anyways.. they are not kept by the agent providing the "service" so to say the fees are for a service is just a lie. They are not charging $10 on the Breeders for a "service".. they are simply grabbing some extra cash and - likely, I don't know how IMP does its business- giving some to the promoter (IMP) and maybe even some to the act (Breeders).

I am sure most of the money goes to the promoter. I doubt the breeders get any of that money. 

atomicfront wrote:

hutch wrote:
I agree. They should roll the "fees" into the face value.

Part of these fees go to the concert act and the venue anyways.. they are not kept by the agent providing the "service" so to say the fees are for a service is just a lie. They are not charging $10 on the Breeders for a "service".. they are simply grabbing some extra cash and - likely, I don't know how IMP does its business- giving some to the promoter (IMP) and maybe even some to the act (Breeders).

I am sure most of the money goes to the promoter. I doubt the breeders get any of that money. 

I think it depends on the venue but even if that is so isn't it the same thing?
The venue books an act based on what it thinks it can make..it adds the ticket fee revenue to its estimate so its the same thing really..

One thing is for sure: Seth is laughing his ass off

atomicfront wrote:

RatBastard wrote:

atomicfront wrote:

hutch wrote:

sweetcell wrote:

hutch wrote:
oh ok let me drive 70 miles on the frickin' beltway to buy the tickets at MPP and save on charges…

so you're saying that getting tickets in person is a pain?  that's it's a waste of time, and that your time is valuable?  so valuable that you'd be willing to pay to not have to do this, to be able to get tickets from the comfort of your own home?

oh I see..so any fee is ok by this reasoning? heck i guess they could charge $200 if it was a concert on the west coast as its worth $200, right? Otherwise I'd have to buy a plane ticket to fly out there and get them in person

a limited handling/service fee is fine…. a $10 fee on a $25 ticket is not fine even if it is more "convenient" than driving into DC and picking them up in person.

Well final cost of the ticket is what should influence your decision.  25 ticket with 10 dollar of fees is still less than a 40 dollar ticket with no fees.  But when a show is cancelled and they don't give you back the fees that should be illegal.  I think everyone would be happier if they just said tickets were a price and that is what you paid.  All the extra fees pisses people off and I have backed out of ticket purchases because of high fees, convience charges, print at home fees, processing fees.  It is ridiculous and I am sure it hurts the venues.   I am sure everyone would just rather everyone see the price was 35 dollars than see the price is 25 dollars and 10 dollar fees.    The government should start charging the concert industry with a lot of crimes. 

Illegal?  They still performed the service for which the fees were charged.  If you go to a show and drink six drinks before the show starts and then the show gets cancelled because of a power outage (for example), you don't get a refund for the drinks you had.

I actually get the six drinks i would have consumed.   I shouldn't have to pay for a performance that did not occur.  The venue is the one who is using the ticketing agency.  I did not pick them.  If they don't have the performance they need to refund my money.   All of my money.  They are making money off of me.  I will say when I bought tickets at Black Cat for Echo and the Bunnymen and they cancelled they gave me all my money back.  So some venues do give you all your money back and others commit fraud. 

You actually were provided a service by the ticket company of processing you order etc.  You get the ticket price back which was to pay for the performance you did not get.  The ticket agency is the one providing the service to you and they get paid for that service they provided to YOU.  So since you didn't pick the DMV as the place to register your car and get your driver's license you should not have to pay for their services, yeah that's great logic.

RatBastard wrote:

atomicfront wrote:

RatBastard wrote:

atomicfront wrote:

hutch wrote:

sweetcell wrote:

hutch wrote:
oh ok let me drive 70 miles on the frickin' beltway to buy the tickets at MPP and save on charges…

so you're saying that getting tickets in person is a pain?  that's it's a waste of time, and that your time is valuable?  so valuable that you'd be willing to pay to not have to do this, to be able to get tickets from the comfort of your own home?

oh I see..so any fee is ok by this reasoning? heck i guess they could charge $200 if it was a concert on the west coast as its worth $200, right? Otherwise I'd have to buy a plane ticket to fly out there and get them in person

a limited handling/service fee is fine…. a $10 fee on a $25 ticket is not fine even if it is more "convenient" than driving into DC and picking them up in person.

Well final cost of the ticket is what should influence your decision.  25 ticket with 10 dollar of fees is still less than a 40 dollar ticket with no fees.  But when a show is cancelled and they don't give you back the fees that should be illegal.  I think everyone would be happier if they just said tickets were a price and that is what you paid.  All the extra fees pisses people off and I have backed out of ticket purchases because of high fees, convience charges, print at home fees, processing fees.  It is ridiculous and I am sure it hurts the venues.   I am sure everyone would just rather everyone see the price was 35 dollars than see the price is 25 dollars and 10 dollar fees.    The government should start charging the concert industry with a lot of crimes. 

Illegal?  They still performed the service for which the fees were charged.  If you go to a show and drink six drinks before the show starts and then the show gets cancelled because of a power outage (for example), you don't get a refund for the drinks you had.

I actually get the six drinks i would have consumed.   I shouldn't have to pay for a performance that did not occur.  The venue is the one who is using the ticketing agency.  I did not pick them.  If they don't have the performance they need to refund my money.   All of my money.  They are making money off of me.  I will say when I bought tickets at Black Cat for Echo and the Bunnymen and they cancelled they gave me all my money back.  So some venues do give you all your money back and others commit fraud. 

You actually were provided a service by the ticket company of processing you order etc.  You get the ticket price back which was to pay for the performance you did not get.  The ticket agency is the one providing the service to you and they get paid for that service they provided to YOU.  So since you didn't pick the DMV as the place to register your car and get your driver's license you should not have to pay for their services, yeah that's great logic.

you have zero logic comprehension.  no wonder you have such stupid politcal views.

97.25% sure you can buy MPP tickets at 930, too.

And (holy fuck I am saying this) Ratbastard is right.
Ticketing agency did their part by offering you the service they offer so you are not entitled to anything they get. That said, promoter and maybe the band do get a good sized chunk of that fee.

Pro-Tip there is a reason why we have a F.A.Q. forum here…

nevermind

atomicfront wrote:

RatBastard wrote:

atomicfront wrote:

RatBastard wrote:

atomicfront wrote:

hutch wrote:

sweetcell wrote:

hutch wrote:
oh ok let me drive 70 miles on the frickin' beltway to buy the tickets at MPP and save on charges…

so you're saying that getting tickets in person is a pain?  that's it's a waste of time, and that your time is valuable?  so valuable that you'd be willing to pay to not have to do this, to be able to get tickets from the comfort of your own home?

oh I see..so any fee is ok by this reasoning? heck i guess they could charge $200 if it was a concert on the west coast as its worth $200, right? Otherwise I'd have to buy a plane ticket to fly out there and get them in person

a limited handling/service fee is fine…. a $10 fee on a $25 ticket is not fine even if it is more "convenient" than driving into DC and picking them up in person.

Well final cost of the ticket is what should influence your decision.  25 ticket with 10 dollar of fees is still less than a 40 dollar ticket with no fees.  But when a show is cancelled and they don't give you back the fees that should be illegal.  I think everyone would be happier if they just said tickets were a price and that is what you paid.  All the extra fees pisses people off and I have backed out of ticket purchases because of high fees, convience charges, print at home fees, processing fees.  It is ridiculous and I am sure it hurts the venues.   I am sure everyone would just rather everyone see the price was 35 dollars than see the price is 25 dollars and 10 dollar fees.    The government should start charging the concert industry with a lot of crimes. 

Illegal?  They still performed the service for which the fees were charged.  If you go to a show and drink six drinks before the show starts and then the show gets cancelled because of a power outage (for example), you don't get a refund for the drinks you had.

I actually get the six drinks i would have consumed.   I shouldn't have to pay for a performance that did not occur.  The venue is the one who is using the ticketing agency.  I did not pick them.  If they don't have the performance they need to refund my money.   All of my money.  They are making money off of me.  I will say when I bought tickets at Black Cat for Echo and the Bunnymen and they cancelled they gave me all my money back.  So some venues do give you all your money back and others commit fraud. 

You actually were provided a service by the ticket company of processing you order etc.  You get the ticket price back which was to pay for the performance you did not get.  The ticket agency is the one providing the service to you and they get paid for that service they provided to YOU.  So since you didn't pick the DMV as the place to register your car and get your driver's license you should not have to pay for their services, yeah that's great logic.

you have zero logic comprehension.  no wonder you have such stupid politcal views.

So now it is illogical to think that when ticketmaster provides the ticketing services they should get paid.  Oh how could I ever forget, they are the big bad ugly monster and no one that works there deserves to get paid cause they are working for the evil man.  It amazes me that left wing nut job liberals think that they ought to have the government give them everything for free (in other words make someone else pay their way in society), they want a job with pay 3-5 times what their job is worth and not be held accountable for their work production in order to keep their job, and at the same time they want everyone else to work for free so they don't have to pay their way for the crap the government doesn't already  give them at someone else's expense.  Must be some damn good drugs you people do that's all I can figure.  No wonder those folks voted for Bammy, that is his plan for the country in a nutshell.  Give the lazy people who have made poor choices in life everything for free and curse anyone who has worked hard and planned for their future.  They must be evil to have been so successful and as a penalty they have to give back what they rightfully earned so these lazy poor planners can be paid to vote for him.

These are the rantings of a mentally ill person. 

I truly pity you.  It must suck to be so delusional and paranoid.

RatBastard wrote:

atomicfront wrote:

RatBastard wrote:

atomicfront wrote:

RatBastard wrote:

atomicfront wrote:

hutch wrote:

sweetcell wrote:

hutch wrote:
oh ok let me drive 70 miles on the frickin' beltway to buy the tickets at MPP and save on charges…

so you're saying that getting tickets in person is a pain?  that's it's a waste of time, and that your time is valuable?  so valuable that you'd be willing to pay to not have to do this, to be able to get tickets from the comfort of your own home?

oh I see..so any fee is ok by this reasoning? heck i guess they could charge $200 if it was a concert on the west coast as its worth $200, right? Otherwise I'd have to buy a plane ticket to fly out there and get them in person

a limited handling/service fee is fine…. a $10 fee on a $25 ticket is not fine even if it is more "convenient" than driving into DC and picking them up in person.

Well final cost of the ticket is what should influence your decision.  25 ticket with 10 dollar of fees is still less than a 40 dollar ticket with no fees.  But when a show is cancelled and they don't give you back the fees that should be illegal.  I think everyone would be happier if they just said tickets were a price and that is what you paid.  All the extra fees pisses people off and I have backed out of ticket purchases because of high fees, convience charges, print at home fees, processing fees.  It is ridiculous and I am sure it hurts the venues.   I am sure everyone would just rather everyone see the price was 35 dollars than see the price is 25 dollars and 10 dollar fees.    The government should start charging the concert industry with a lot of crimes. 

Illegal?  They still performed the service for which the fees were charged.  If you go to a show and drink six drinks before the show starts and then the show gets cancelled because of a power outage (for example), you don't get a refund for the drinks you had.

I actually get the six drinks i would have consumed.   I shouldn't have to pay for a performance that did not occur.  The venue is the one who is using the ticketing agency.  I did not pick them.  If they don't have the performance they need to refund my money.   All of my money.  They are making money off of me.  I will say when I bought tickets at Black Cat for Echo and the Bunnymen and they cancelled they gave me all my money back.  So some venues do give you all your money back and others commit fraud. 

You actually were provided a service by the ticket company of processing you order etc.  You get the ticket price back which was to pay for the performance you did not get.  The ticket agency is the one providing the service to you and they get paid for that service they provided to YOU.  So since you didn't pick the DMV as the place to register your car and get your driver's license you should not have to pay for their services, yeah that's great logic.

you have zero logic comprehension.  no wonder you have such stupid politcal views.

So now it is illogical to think that when ticketmaster provides the ticketing services they should get paid.  Oh how could I ever forget, they are the big bad ugly monster and no one that works there deserves to get paid cause they are working for the evil man.  It amazes me that left wing nut job liberals think that they ought to have the government give them everything for free (in other words make someone else pay their way in society), they want a job with pay 3-5 times what their job is worth and not be held accountable for their work production in order to keep their job, and at the same time they want everyone else to work for free so they don't have to pay their way for the crap the government doesn't already  give them at someone else's expense.  Must be some damn good drugs you people do that's all I can figure.  No wonder those folks voted for Bammy, that is his plan for the country in a nutshell.  Give the lazy people who have made poor choices in life everything for free and curse anyone who has worked hard and planned for their future.  They must be evil to have been so successful and as a penalty they have to give back what they rightfully earned so these lazy poor planners can be paid to vote for him.

You know you are the one with all the freaking health problems.  I eat healthy and I exercise and I don't smoke and I drink alcohol regularly and I have been lucky enough to not have health problems.  You have all sorts of health problems that cost others a ton of money.  I don't know if that is because of your life choices or not.  But the rest of society is paying for your health problems.  I am guessing if you had to pay for your health problems on your own you would not be able to.  How hard is it for you to understand that society is taking care of you?  Health Insurance is a social program.  Thankfully for myself I contribute large sums of money and go to the doctor once a year for a check-up.  But I am happy to do so.  I could be next but also I don't want people to go without health care.  I don't want people to go hungry so I glad that my taxes go for food stamps. It is part of being in society.  If you don't want to part of a society go move to Montana and live in a cabin without electricity

And ticketmaster is not providing me with any service if there is no freaking show.  They are actually providing a service for the venue.  Not for me.  They have contracted with the venue to provide ticket sales for them.  If I buy tickets off a site like stubhub and the venue or the promoter has not listed the tickets there themselves than stubhub is providing me with a service. 

If I pre-order a video game and then the video game manufacture doesn't put out the game do you think the video store won't refund my deposit? 

You must have zero problems if you spend this much time complaining about ticket fees.

In the grand scheme of life, is 10 dollars really that big of a deal?  I've wasted that much money on shots in my 20's.

ok - please move over to the "Hey Seth - Commentary" thread unless you are making a request for a specific show

or we can talk about lots of things, but enough of this

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