What Are You Listening To?

Sakamoto- 1996

kosmo wrote:

PunchHimOutHatch wrote:

PunchHimOutHatch wrote:

kosmo wrote:
I call BS on ill informed Prince opinions…

OK Koz…please curate a 10 song play list of the Greatest hits of prince post 1990

still waiting

https://open.spotify.com/album/0CEHFvHUQ0ZSv3mugziS76?si=k6R2L1OxSSuAdRy55jMW-w

wow, way to phone that one in
I said 10 songs you thought were bangers from that time period
and you gave me a 37 song anthology released in 2018
not impressed
shows how highly you think of that era's work
sweets do you care to redeem prince? or is this bar just too high? 

10 songs over a 20+ year period where there are probably close to 300 available

Fine fine fine… I’m working on a list just another 250 songs to work through..

And of course I can’t include anything off of Welcome 2 America because it scuttled for whatever released in 2010, had he released this I believe this would have been the start of his renaissance..

As the reviewer of this album points out his best output was when he had collaborators… and that a bunch of stuff released prior to his was recorded with highly talented players without much personality which resulted in expertly played boring songs

kosmo wrote:
Isn't Mannheim Steamroller primarily a instrumental group? They routinely chart albums and play for packed arenas…

Just for their Fresh Aire Xmas shows. I think someone from the group was also involved in Trans Siberian Orchestra but I'm too lazy to look it up.

Justin wrote:
n Trans Siberian Orchestra

these guys are huge too
they will sell out that cap center
none of the roxy/smashing barely fill the place shit

I bet this year the pricing will be insane for TSO in the good seats
say $500 a seat.

kosmo wrote:
Fine fine fine…… which resulted in expertly played boring songs

seems like you are making my case for me
If you asked me to pick ten songs out of 300 by an artist I though was great
I could do that in 5 mins

again, sweets, since you seem to claim we don't know the purple magic that happened in this era
put up or shut up

I love prince and would love to be turned on to some gems I missed
but really seems like there is no there, there

snickett-Hatch wrote:

kosmo wrote:
Fine fine fine…… which resulted in expertly played boring songs

seems like you are making my case for me
If you asked me to pick ten songs out of 300 by an artist I though was great
I could do that in 5 mins

again, sweets, since you seem to claim we don't know the purple magic that happened in this era
put up or shut up

I love prince and would love to be turned on to some gems I missed
but really seems like there is no there, there

your answer is going to be "nah", no matter what i post.

Are you guys saying Prince did anything as good as Little Red Corvette, Delirious,
Purple Rain, I could never take the place of your man, Sometimes it snows in April, etc after 1990?!?

I like some of his early 90s stuff but after that it’s hard to find anything redeemable. It happens…even geniuses lose their ability to write great songs. There’s no shame in it. It doesn’t mean he didn’t remain a great performer.

Pollard is still going strong

Starsky wrote:
Are you guys saying Prince did anything as good as Little Red Corvette, Delirious,
Purple Rain, I could never take the place of your man, Sometimes it snows in April, etc after 1990?!?

I like some of his early 90s stuff but after that it’s hard to find anything redeemable. It happens…even geniuses lose their ability to write great songs. There’s no shame in it. It doesn’t mean he didn’t remain a great performer.

Cock wrote:
Pollard is still going strong

Starsky wrote:
Are you guys saying Prince did anything as good as Little Red Corvette, Delirious,
Purple Rain, I could never take the place of your man, Sometimes it snows in April, etc after 1990?!?

I like some of his early 90s stuff but after that it’s hard to find anything redeemable. It happens…even geniuses lose their ability to write great songs. There’s no shame in it. It doesn’t mean he didn’t remain a great performer.

He never set the bar high like Prince did.

Starsky wrote:
I like some of his early 90s stuff but after that it’s hard to find anything redeemable. It happens…even geniuses lose their ability to write great songs.

Ah, the Julian Theory Established Fact that 99.999999% of artists write their seminal work at age 30 or before. Yes, you are correct.

Julian, wrote:

Starsky wrote:
I like some of his early 90s stuff but after that it’s hard to find anything redeemable. It happens…even geniuses lose their ability to write great songs.

Ah, the Julian Theory Established Fact that 99.999999% of artists write their seminal work at age 30 or before. Yes, you are correct.

wrong with Bob pollard there

Prince - Welcome 2 America

Regardless of when this was released I would rank this one at the same level of Around The World and Controversy.  Not solid bangers but definitely some of his best work… 

Hot Summer is however the banger hatch is craving to listen to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiAhTus8RRs

snickett-Hatch wrote:

Julian, wrote:

Starsky wrote:
I like some of his early 90s stuff but after that it’s hard to find anything redeemable. It happens…even geniuses lose their ability to write great songs.

Ah, the Julian Theory Established Fact that 99.999999% of artists write their seminal work at age 30 or before. Yes, you are correct.

wrong with Bob pollard there

Yes, the guy who started putting out music at 30 falls into the .000001% exclusion I carved out.

There are plenty of artists who put out masterpieces after 30. I just don’t believe they did so consistently. And they certainly no longer captured the zeitgeist.

And one  can’t say Bowie was forward looking after 1982. Or Dylan or Cash or Petty or Cohen.

But Bowie’s low came out about a week after he turned 30. But he is a remarkable exception to the general rule.

There may be other great examples. My favorite musician, Andres Calamaro, came out with his best work between 1996-2000 and he was 35-40 years old. He had been successful since the early 80s. Another Argentine , Charly Garcia, comes to mind. In fact when you look international you see lots of great examples such as Gainsbourg, Joaquin Sabina, Caetano Veloso, Jorge Ben. But within the rock and pop idiom being over 30 is almost tantamount to being dead.

Suicide were notable late bloomers.

Bob Dylan with Time out of mind
Leonard Cohen with You want it darker
Bowie
Petty
Cash

Underworld put out all their great stuff after the two founders were over 30. Their Drift box set which only came out a few years ago is incredible.

What is notable about Prince is he cratered. There isn’t even one song that can sit on his greatest hits from his last 10 years.

Starsky wrote:
There are plenty of artists who put out masterpieces after 30. I just don’t believe they did so consistently. And they certainly no longer captured the zeitgeist. One can’t say Bowie was forward looking after 1982.

Bob Dylan with Time out of mind
Leonard Cohen with You want it darker
Bowie
Petty
Cash

Underworld put out all their great stuff after the two founders were over 30. Their Drift box set which only came out a few years ago is incredible.

What is notable about Prince is he cratered. There isn’t even one song that can sit on his greatest hits from his last 10 years.

We've had this conversation many times and you continue to not possess reading comprehension. I never say "no one put out good music after 30" or "the second an artist hits 30 their music becomes shit" which you always seem to be retorting to. I say artists BEST work comes before 30. Literally every person you listed (with the exception of Underworld, a group whose members have no sub-30 material) had their best work before 30.

And no, I don't want to debate Blood on The Tracks for the fifth time. Its fine. It's also not in Dylan's top three. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Don’t flatter yourself. Am not debating with you just posting my thoughts.

Underworld did have albums before 30 . Two as Freur and two or three as an earlier incarnation and they are abominable.

And if we accept Bowie’s Berlin trilogy as his high point- as more and more people do every year, Bowie peaked after 30.

There are remarkable exceptions. I added to my post above.

Another incredible exception might be arguably the creator of rock and roll: Chuck Berry who would have turned 96 today. Almost all his seminal stuff came out in his 30s.

Another great example of an artist that indisputably peaked after 30 is Nick Cave. I think he peaked around 1994 which is I think in his mid 30s! The stuff he put out in his 20s has its moments and there are incredible songs but there are also clunkers and the scuzz bucket Cramps/Gun Club blues rock can be unbearable

Again, an exception but they are out there….

My wife says that Bowie peaked with "Let's Dance", and anyone who likes his earlier crap is just a music snob.

Space wrote:
My wife says that Bowie peaked with "Let's Dance", and anyone who likes his earlier crap is just a music snob.

yowza that's a weak take
I'd say after that Its hard to find great stuff.
But I would say that's the end of his great run
Blue Jean came out on Tonight, but that's the only redeming song on Tonight
His later stuff has some decent stuff, but not really of the caliber of his work from 71-83