Just Announced

I'm well aware. I'm highly thankful for the venues around here and the opportunities I have to go see great music. I'm a lucky girl.
Entitlement to music is very relevant, though. You might not see it right now, but it has been crystal clear for me that there are people out there that just don't like kids under 21 at their shows. I have been told so on these boards before. And if they want to be elitist assholes, I'm not going to tell them how to live their lives. I just don't want them having any say in how I enjoy music. I don't agree with them. I don't believe people should. And I'm obviously trying to emphasize this.

The All American Rejects
w/The Starting Line, Gym Class Heroes, The Format
11/9/06
Patriot Center

I don't think this has been posted yet.

Precisely – money that does NOT go to the venue.

you're wrong here. remember, to get in, the kids have to pay a cover. while it is true that venues make most of their money on alcohol, there are some shows where enough people will pay that it is completely worthwhile to book an all ages show. i've had certain nights at the warehouse where we drew over 100 underage kids, and at $8 or $10 a pop (more in most places), the venue is keeping a decent amount, more than it would if it were strictly 21+ and the bands drew 18. those 18 people aren't going to drink enough to match 100 paid at the door.

there's a middle ground that can be tread. as a booker, i wouldn't book hardcore or punk shows that barely draw, because neither the door nor the bar will make anything. there's got to be a balance.

i have to side with betty on being "entitled" to see live music. i guess this is because of my leftist/DIY/punk background, and maybe because i remember all the days from when i was 14-20 when i wanted to see a show but couldn't because i was underage – i missed many legendary jazz/folk/blues musicians who are now dead – but i think all ages shows, or at least 18+, are extremely important to the health of the music scene. i believe that kids should be encouraged to go to shows, and they shouldn't be left out because they are a certain age.

the argument that an underage person is taking the space of one who can drink is bullshit. many adults don't drink, so should they have to relinquish their spot at a sold-out show because there is someone who can drink waiting outside?

i said it before and i'll say it again – and this is from dealing directly with these small club owners because i have to – they just don't want to make the effort to deal with watching underage kids, plain and simple.

Originally posted by snailhook:

Precisely – money that does NOT go to the venue.

you're wrong here. remember, to get in, the kids have to pay a cover.

I was referring to the discussion of the merch sales, and the kids spending gobs of money on t-shirts of every color.

I am NOT arguing against kids getting in, and you do such a dedicated and important job of working towards all ages shows, and getting bands of all different types booked in D.C. In response to Betty and the overall discussion, though, for venues that are 21+, they're decision is reasonable to me. Take DC9, for instance. It's as much a bar as it is a 'venue.' In fact, I'll bet if they did a survey over a month's time, they have more patrons there simply as 'bar customers' than for bands. Hence, making the shows all ages is a big reach for them.

I'm pretty sure that some clubs (e.g., 9:30?) take a cut of merch sales as well.

Originally posted by Bags:

Originally posted by snailhook:

Precisely – money that does NOT go to the venue.

you're wrong here. remember, to get in, the kids have to pay a cover.

I was referring to the discussion of the merch sales, and the kids spending gobs of money on t-shirts of every color.

Originally posted by ggwâ?¢:
I'm pretty sure that some clubs (e.g., 9:30?) take a cut of merch sales as well.

Originally posted by Bags:

Originally posted by snailhook:

Precisely – money that does NOT go to the venue.

you're wrong here. remember, to get in, the kids have to pay a cover.

I was referring to the discussion of the merch sales, and the kids spending gobs of money on t-shirts of every color.

As far as i know, the 9:30 Club is the only one locally who does this.

TUES NOV 7- THE ELECTED, MARGOT & THE NUCLEAR SO AND SO'S
Black Cat

Man Man is playing G-Spot(?) in Baltimore 10/21.

Somebody in DC book these guys! Snailhook? Black Cat?

Originally posted by Chevy Chase:
Man Man is playing G-Spot(?) in Baltimore 10/21.

Somebody in DC book these guys! Snailhook? Black Cat?

Yes, please please! I have a wedding the 21st. I keep hoping for a DC show the 22nd.

well i'm glad that the 9:30 club is all ages

Another vote for Man Man…and I think they're playing the Ottobar on 10/21…

Betty, the Walls Of Soundfest and the Popnoise Fest are both all ages. Plus, the WoSF is only $10 and the Popnoise Fest is free. :D

Nevermind, Man Man is playing here:

http://www.gspotavp.com/index.html

Originally posted by Chevy Chase:
Man Man is playing G-Spot(?) in Baltimore 10/21.

Somebody in DC book these guys! Snailhook? Black Cat?

We tried to get them to play DAM! Fest, but they are leaving for a European tour that weekend.

Originally posted by reggie o.:
The All American Rejects
w/The Starting Line, Gym Class Heroes, The Format
11/9/06
Patriot Center

I don't think this has been posted yet.

where's alec when you need him? this is his show!

Ben Folds
November 15, Bender Arena

Art Brut are apparently now pairing up with We Are Scientists for their upcoming tour, but the latter aren't listed for the Black Cat show.

Originally posted by chokeychicken:

Originally posted by reggie o.:
The All American Rejects
w/The Starting Line, Gym Class Heroes, The Format
11/9/06
Patriot Center

I don't think this has been posted yet.

where's alec when you need him? this is his show!

ahahahahhaha. you sure know me well. im still confused on what you like chokey besides lifetime…

We Are Scientists will be with Art Brut only up to October 14th…they will not be at the Black Cat show :)

Originally posted by Reod Dai:


Art Brut are apparently now pairing up with We Are Scientists for their upcoming tour, but the latter aren't listed for the Black Cat show.

October 28
WSC Halloween show at the Rock N Roll Hotel. All ages Betty!

Originally posted by Alec:

Originally posted by chokeychicken:

Originally posted by reggie o.:
The All American Rejects
w/The Starting Line, Gym Class Heroes, The Format
11/9/06
Patriot Center

I don't think this has been posted yet.

where's alec when you need him? this is his show!

ahahahahhaha. you sure know me well. im still confused on what you like chokey besides lifetime…

kid dynamite probably.